Thorfun Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 I guess that’s where the main cost is then, the steel frame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Nice staircase @pocster I made a start on mine today, not as fancy as yours though….. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pocster Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eric said: I think that’s pretty smart ! . When’s it due to finish ? ; want too see photos of that please Edited June 8, 2023 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, pocster said: I think that’s pretty smart ! . When’s it due to finish ? ; want too see photos of that please Hopefully have all the steel finished tomorrow. Treads will be oak, 275 x 112 with glass, will be a while before they are done though. My build is probably on the same timeline as yours 😂😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eric said: Hopefully have all the steel finished tomorrow. Treads will be oak, 275 x 112 with glass, will be a while before they are done though. My build is probably on the same timeline as yours 😂😉 You’ve been very quiet for 10 yrs then - unlike me 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, pocster said: You’ve been very quiet for 10 yrs then - unlike me 😎 You have been asking all the questions, I have been taking the answers 😬 Only 9 months in 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eric said: You have been asking all the questions, I have been taking the answers 😬 Only 9 months in 😉 Enjoy the next decade 💪👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETC Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 hours ago, pocster said: @Thorfun here are the initial plans! Lol at “sign here if Building Control are involved in your project” - of course they will be. Oh yeah you’ll need guarding to the LHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 9 hours ago, ETC said: Lol at “sign here if Building Control are involved in your project” - of course they will be. Oh yeah you’ll need guarding to the LHS. They are ‘involved ‘ in that they turned up a few times go “ yeah “ and leave . You think a hand rail on the base steps to the left is required ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jimbo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 If the rise of the steps add up to more than 600mm, i believe you will need a handrail. You might be able to rig something temp just to get it passed, then take it down. I have done that in the past for the NHBC. He knew it was temp, but was happy to just have a photo that showed a handrail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 44 minutes ago, pocster said: They are ‘involved ‘ in that they turned up a few times go “ yeah “ and leave . You think a hand rail on the base steps to the left is required ? That is why you should have formally submitted the staircase design to building control and got them to either sign it as acceptable, or state what alterations they would need, BEFORE you spent your £30K It's not as if you were not advised to do that. An extra glass panel covering the first 2 steps down after the turn would do it, leaving only the bottom 2 without a handrail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ProDave said: It's not as if you were not advised to do that. Not quite sure what you mean here ? The company take responsibility in the design to meet bc requirements. Equally not spent 30k - that happens after install . These are the the 1st draft of the plans - not final Edited June 9, 2023 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 we went through this with the design of our entrance hall. the architect had the landing above so that it had vertical posts coming down along the side of the stairs to create a lovely feature. but the landing was far enough back that the hand rail would have had to come past the vertical posts. we changed it so that the landing was brought forward enough so that it ended 2 steps up the stair case which meant that the hand rail could start at the same place as the vertical timbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ProDave said: It's not as if you were not advised to do that. No one in this thread advised anything of the sort . The company state in their blurb all their staircases meet bc requirements 100% - so imho that’s them accepting liability for that . None the less I emailed them ; they suggested I could email this draft to bc anyway and follow it up with the final proposal just for peace of mind . Whilst ‘proper’ bco should check these things on my build ( 5 yrs of fighting remember) it’s fairly obvious I pissed planning / bc and neighbors off . I assumed someone would want to inspect the insulation . Not interested. In theory I could have installed zero insulation and no one would know ( I did take photos ! ) . Edited June 9, 2023 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, pocster said: No one in this thread advised anything of the sort . The company state in their blurb all their staircases meet bc requirements 100% - so imho that’s them accepting liability for that . None the less I emailed them ; they suggested I could email this draft to bc anyway and follow it up with the final proposal just for peace of mind . So why did they ask you to sign that ? It looks to me like they are expecting you to submit the design to your building control and for your building control to sign that they accept the design. What they are wanting to avoid is getting into an argument with your building control at the end of the project when he refuses to issue a completion certificate because of a staircase issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ProDave said: So why did they ask you to sign that ? It looks to me like they are expecting you to submit the design to your building control and for your building control to sign that they accept the design. What they are wanting to avoid is getting into an argument with your building control at the end of the project when he refuses to issue a completion certificate because of a staircase issue. Maybe. I only uploaded the design for @Thorfun too see; which I've only JUST received. 2 hours ago, ProDave said: That is why you should have formally submitted the staircase design to building control and got them to either sign it as acceptable, or state what alterations they would need, BEFORE you spent your £30K It's not as if you were not advised to do that. I can't send to bc without the design which I've only just received!. I have NOT spent 30k. I can only send things to anyone ONCE I've received them. Edited June 9, 2023 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 Company were back out today for the 2nd survey ( I had to do some shuttering after the 1st one ). All good. Will get my metal fixing of stairs to RSJ. Also they will 'infill' the steel beam to suit their needs ( which I prefer ). Regarding hand rail at base of steps ; usually max steps with no hand rail is 2 ( though apparently the width of the step is relevant ). Final fix plans to be posted once I have them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 @pocster All of the steel work for the stairs finished today 👍🏻 I will need to come & give you a hand with yours 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Eric said: @pocster All of the steel work for the stairs finished today 👍🏻 I will need to come & give you a hand with yours 😂 F me ! You’ve done 6 months work in 1 day in my world ! 👍👍👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) Forgot to mention … The treads are made off site and very exact . To achieve this they brought a hand held 3d scanner . Nice bit of kit ( all 27k of it ! ) - produced an accurate 3d model in seconds . I asked if I could borrow it to scan ‘things’ - they said no . Edited June 10, 2023 by pocster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 hours ago, pocster said: I asked if I could borrow it to scan ‘things’ - they said no . No macro button? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 hours ago, Eric said: @pocster All of the steel work for the stairs finished today 👍🏻 I will need to come & give you a hand with yours 😂 How will the wall be finished plastered around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 09/06/2023 at 11:17, ProDave said: So why did they ask you to sign that ? It looks to me like they are expecting you to submit the design to your building control and for your building control to sign that they accept the design. What they are wanting to avoid is getting into an argument with your building control at the end of the project when he refuses to issue a completion certificate because of a staircase issue. I think pear stairs ask you to sign a disclaimer if the design breaches building regs in any way. Different kettle of fish to a bespoke high cost jobby but I would assume same rules apply? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Onoff said: No macro button? NO!; The wide angled lens was (expletive deleted)ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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