Dreadnaught Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I thought this was spot on: – Person 1: Why do we build houses like this? [Picture below] Person 2: Can’t resist taking a shot to see if I can do it in 5 tweets or fewer (as follows) … Tweet 1 1066 - William I establishes a system of land ownership that gives incredible political & economic power to landowners, giving land incredible ? value. Tweet 2 1948-1961- We regulate development but still end up allowing landowners to capture most increases in land value, even though that land value is created by everyone. Tweet 3 1970s-2000s This creates a biz model: 1. buy up potential development land. 2. wait / negotiate for LAs to award planning permission. 3. capture the sudden ⬆️ in land value by ? cheapest (facsimiles of) homes & n’hoods you are allowed to, then sell to the mortgage industry. Tweet 4 2000- Successive policies put ever-increasing pressure on LPAs to award planning permission, compromising on quality in order to prioritise quantity. Meanwhile the land value capture industry is also heavily subsidised because Gov believes we rely on it. Tweet 5 2020s Side-effect: we all end up living in the financial assets left behind by this industry. Even though they were never really designed to be successful places to live (I.e good social, economic or environmental infrastructure). That wasn’t their purpose. – From here: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Pretty typical Someone already bringing the tone down with anEngland flag ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 You can take the flag down though. What are you going to do with the two weird yellow brick quoins on each side of the house. It looks like when the built the single course round the house they had a few left over and went sure I will stick them in this random position and the foreman stood back and went yep that looks really different, do the rest of the development like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I think you can sum it up in the lyrics of this 1962 song, apocryphal or what! "Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes made of ticky tacky,1 Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes all the same. There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one, And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same. And the people in the houses All went to the university, Where they were put in boxes And they came out all the same, And there's doctors and lawyers, And business executives, And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same. And they all play on the golf course And drink their martinis dry, And they all have pretty children And the children go to school, And the children go to summer camp And then to the university, Where they are put in boxes And they come out all the same. And the boys go into business And marry and raise a family In boxes made of ticky tacky And they all look just the same. There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one, And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same." (Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1962 Schroder Music Company,) Sad face! Infinite sameness - what statisticians would call 'regression to the mean' and mean is the word. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Ah, ticky tacky, ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 While many of us find that depressing for some people it will be aspirational which in turn is more depressing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I actually don't mind them brick quoins tbf. Although I am common as muck. Just seems better than a plain elevation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ralph said: While many of us find that depressing for some people it will be aspirational which in turn is more depressing. People like us - the putative self righteous self builders and their chums who may think of ourselves as somewhat better than most would never seek to live in such a place. Pride cometh before the fall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 minute ago, MikeSharp01 said: People like us - the putative self righteous self builders and their chums who may think of ourselves as somewhat better than most would never seek to live in such a place. Pride cometh before the fall. Correct. I'm aware of my inherit distain. Not proud of it but aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Oz07 said: I actually don't mind them brick quoins tbf. Although I am common as muck. Just seems better than a plain elevation. I like brick quoins as well but just 2 looks wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Yes this website is like a microclimate of the population. Bloody snobs. Let us commoners enjoy our houses lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 My nephew just bought a new house on an estate, the garden flooded first time it rained (solid yellow clay 50mm below turf) and the on suite shower tray was so out of level it would not drain and overflowed the “high” end, they had to take the whole floor up and use firings to level up the joists underneath ?♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ralph said: Correct. I'm aware of my inherit distain. Me too - fun isn't it. Just now, joe90 said: firings Do you mean furrings! Firing seem like the right thing to do with the person that fitted the shower tray but .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said: I think you can sum it up in the lyrics of this 1962 song, apocryphal or what Or The Eagles's Last Resort. Interesting but in bold. She came from Providence One in Rhode Island Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee Just as her father came across the sea She heard about a place people were smiling Spoke about the red man's ways How they loved the land They came from everywhere to the great divide Seeking a place to stand or a place to hide Down in the crowded bars out for a good time Can't wait to tell you all what it's like up there They called it paradise I don't know why Somebody laid the mountains low while the town got high Then the chilly winds blew down across the desert Through the canyons of the coast to the Malibu Where the pretty people play hungry for power To light their neon way give them things to do Some rich man came and raped the land nobody caught 'em Put up a bunch of ugly boxes Jesus people bought 'em They called it paradise the place to be They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea We can leave it all behind sail to Lahaina Just like the missionaries did so many years ago They even brought a neon sign that said Jesus is coming Brought the white man's burden down Brought the white man's reign Who will provide the grand design what is yours and what is mine? Cause there is no more new frontier we have got to make it here Satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds In the name of destiny and in the name of God (Aaah...) And you can see them there on Sunday morning (Aaah...) Stand up and sing about what it's like up there (Aaah...) They called it paradise I don't know why (Aaah...) Call some place paradise kiss it goodbye... Ah-ah-ah... ah-ah-ah... Ooh... hoo... Ooh... hoo... Ooh... Ooh... Ah-ha... ooh... Ah... ha... And here's how it all started Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Don Henley / Glenn Lewis Frey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) This is why self build is even more important. I’m sure it exists but most self builders don’t build THAT crap . At one of my planning meetings I asked why such shite is allowed to be built by developers . They didn’t respond ; so I guessed as already mentioned ; quantity over quality ; which in turn maximises the developers return . Edited July 3, 2021 by pocster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, pocster said: quantity over quality ; which in turn maximises the developers return . The alternative is worse: no development. While I agree that building poor quality is unnecessary, housing people is more important than reducing new housing energy losses. Let the power generation companies clean up that sector and then the problem goes away. No point diverting resources to where it is ultimately not needed. Or just ban combustion technologies. Problem sorted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz07 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 It is probably poor quality if mass produced, which I don't agree with and needs sorting. But to me looking at them is not offensive. Sure they are no grand designs but at least it's not got all the fake Victorian crap chimney etc. What about the fake Georgian beam and cladding how are they ever supposed to age well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 03/07/2021 at 11:38, MikeSharp01 said: And the people in the houses All went to the university, I have not heard that song for years. Back in 1967 my Dad was working for Unesco in what was then Ceylon and let my Mum choose a new house to relocate the family back to South Wales. He was not impressed with her new-build choice and used to sing Little Boxes when back home. In retrospect he had a point as I can still remember all the neighbours along the avenue of 4 bed detached 60's houses. In order: Head teacher of the local primary school and his high school teacher wife. Professor and department head of local university biology department. City chief planner and his GP wife. Senior engineer (MBE) at the Royal Mint. Professor & Chair of local university maths department. High school teacher and her retired vicar husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Tend to disagree. The chap comes across to me as a bit of a twit in a number of respects, looking at his timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenz Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Tweet 4 set to continue, with ever fewer owning the land, if reports are to be believed. On the other hand, most farms are loss making enterprises artificially kept afloat, and are looking to sell, plus there are several schemes in existence or in the process, to make it easier for people to start good life projects and build their own homes. If as they seem to want to do they are just going to subsidies the large landowners, that would seem a hard sell to the public without some type of trade off, the likes of OPD and Single Development being brought through for all parts of the UK might be such a trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Ferdinand said: Tend to disagree. The chap comes across to me as a bit of a twit in a number of respects, looking at his timeline. His first two posts are historically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 03/07/2021 at 12:09, joe90 said: My nephew just bought a new house on an estate, the garden flooded first time it rained (solid yellow clay 50mm below turf) and the on suite shower tray was so out of level it would not drain and overflowed the “high” end, they had to take the whole floor up and use firings to level up the joists underneath ?♂️ Amateurs ! Even I didn’t make that mistake ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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