ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, joe90 said: why bother, just use 19kg (like I do) then swop them after BC chap is long gone (I still say he is wrong). I don't have any 19kg cylinders. If I have to do that I will but I would probably have to pay a hire charge on yet 2 more cylinders as last time I tried to swap cylinder sizes Calor would not play ball. So I will stick to 47kg unless it become an insurmountable issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, joe90 said: I would just argue that the regs say “opening window “ yours is not (and the calor website confirms this). I am convinced (from my previous dealings many years ago) that you could have a non opening non vented window right behind the cylinder and it would be allowed, but I cannot find anything that actually shows that. My BC is a "show me where it says you can" kind of person where I am arguing the "show me where it says you can't" So unless I can find anything showing a non opening window right behind the cylinders I am stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, ProDave said: So unless I can find anything showing a non opening window right behind the cylinders I am stuck. I think I am more stubborn than you ? I would quote the Calor site to him about sealed openings which is what you have, if you contact Calor they may even confirm it in an Email fir you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, joe90 said: I think I am more stubborn than you ? I would quote the Calor site to him about sealed openings which is what you have, if you contact Calor they may even confirm it in an Email fir you??? Did I miss a bit? I only see reference to "opening windows" in the calor document, is there a reference to "non opening" or "sealed" windows that I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, joe90 said: If there is an unavoidable opening within 2m, the opening should be securely covered and fitted with a suitable water seal to prevent the entry of vapour.” Here is the “contact us with a query “ page. https://www.calorgas.ie/support Edited December 3, 2020 by joe90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, joe90 said: why bother, just use 19kg (like I do) then swop them after BC chap is long gone (I still say he is wrong). I was going to say exactly the same, get a smaller cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, joe90 said: Here is the “contact us with a query “ page. https://www.calorgas.ie/support That worked well NOT. I submitted my query only to get a 403 Forbidden error. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: I was going to say exactly the same, get a smaller cylinder. Yes but I can feel the blood pressure rising as I bang my head against a brick wall talking to a stubborn BCO. It just adds to the "after completion" list....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 How about 0800 626 626 (Calor customer services) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: I was going to say exactly the same, get a smaller cylinder. That is my plan, 47kg bottles are an avoidable orange blot on the landscape if just used for cooking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On a related point, do the LPG bottle regs allow a bottle and ASHP to be collocated at an outside wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, epsilonGreedy said: On a related point, do the LPG bottle regs allow a bottle and ASHP to be collocated at an outside wall? I hope so, mine is ?. Don’t see why not, no mention of electrical devices on the regs above (and my BCO didn’t raise an eyebrow). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, joe90 said: Here is the “contact us with a query “ page. https://www.calorgas.ie/support Wrong country... https://www.calor.co.uk/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 This page https://www.calor.co.uk/home-energy/new-to-lpg/my-options/lpg-installation-options?tabname=lpg-cylinders Makes reference to the distance sideways to windows, air bricks etc being measured from a "gas bottle valve" not the edge of a cylinder. Now if only I could find a reference to the vertical distance to a window being measured from the valve rather than the drawings implying the top of the cylinder handle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Why not go on Ebay, gumtree, social media and buy a couple of empty 19kg bottles (I have a couple of butane ones you can have if you care to collect them, ?????). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Diagram 44 Page 67 of part j shows that the opening part must be 300mm vertically or 1m horizontally AND shows that a non opening part of the window can be nearer. Edited December 3, 2020 by Temp 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Dave. We’ve put flues through baffled sections of non opening windows before, blanking them with non-combustible material and intumescent mastic type seal to complete the picture. The reason they don’t show a non-opening window is because they don’t care about a non-opening window. Carry on with the 47’s and tell your BCO to suck it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Temp said: Diagram 44 Page 67 of part j shows that the opening part must be 300mm vertically or 1m horizontally AND shows that a non opening part of the window can be nearer. Perfect Not only does it show a non opening window, it also males it clear the distances are measured from the gas valve on the cylinder, not the top of the handle. So I suspect I would be okay even if my windows opened. So I will proceed on that basis that I now have a pretty picture to show BC when they object and grounds to argue it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Glad this has been sorted, @ProDave try not to gloat when you tell your BCO, it tends to upset them ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, joe90 said: Glad this has been sorted, @ProDave try not to gloat when you tell your BCO, it tends to upset them ? No chance!!! Get him on video and send us the YT link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 It will be a while before I fight this battle (still fighting others) but I will let you know the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Starting this back up. I have a couple of issues raised this morning when the gas man turned up to look at sticking in my lpg pipework. The first one is the distance vertically to a combustible material, my house is a bungalow and he was concerned about the height from the top of cylinders to the soffit and facia board, my soffit is timber, I cannot find any drawings that say anything about the actual fabric of the building is more about openings. Please see pic. Any thoughts @ProDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 I would ask him to show you the regulation that is concerning him. Is he worried about a leak, ignited, and a flame out the top of the cylinder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I think he is talking rubbish, unless he is looking at combustible materials above a cooker or appliance rather than the bottles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 That diagram (grey area) extends 300mm above cylinder only. As @ProDave says, ask him to recite the regs to which he is referring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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