Randomusername Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) Getting quotes for new boundary fence to plots - concrete posts, arris rails and close board - the contractor yesterday stated 3 metre centres as “That’s the length of the material”. As that’s about 10 feet it obviously seems too much. I measured the post centres of the last fence I had built, and they are just about 2400mm - which seems much more sensible. I’m rather surprised that the contractor should suggest such an expanse as surely it would sag? It’s not even looking like a cheap quote either! Edited August 16, 2020 by Randomusername Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 3m is pushing it - most are either 1.8m or 2.4m at best. With ordinary concrete posts they will need to be in a long way to cope with the wind load of a 3m panel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) My long side fence is at 10' centres. No issues. 3 arris rails per panel. 3m is the longer "standard" https://www.blewers.com/products/fencing-decking/featheredge-fencing/ Just to add fence runs NW to SE. Concrete posts too. Edited August 16, 2020 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Standard fence panels are around 1.8m wide. Ditto post and rail fencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, Temp said: Standard fence panels are around 1.8m wide. Ditto post and rail fencing. Plus one Spacing at 3 mtrs is a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Honestly, I've 300' of it here, done by the previous owner. 10' spacing and it's been fine. Not even gun nailed on with angular rings. Just standard galv nails. Maybe I'm lucky and it's sheltered by neighbouring properties and the lie of the land. I must admit when I did the front fence I went 6' spacing as I had done before at our previous property. Didn't even consider the 6 or 10' thing until this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Our arris rails are 2.4m and came from Wickes many years ago. They haven't broken but a couple have warped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Round here closeboard fencing is 3m bays, panel is 2.4m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3m bays if using 3 arris rails and a support for the bottom arris rail to stop it dropping. Concrete posts with the cutouts in them for rails are best and rectangular arris rails. More industrial looking but will last longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) On 16/08/2020 at 08:57, Randomusername said: Getting quotes for new boundary fence to plots - concrete posts, arris rails and close board - the contractor yesterday stated 3 metre centres as “That’s the length of the material”. As that’s about 10 feet it obviously seems too much. I measured the post centres of the last fence I had built, and they are just about 2400mm - which seems much more sensible. I’m rather surprised that the contractor should suggest such an expanse as surely it would sag? It’s not even looking like a cheap quote either! 3m is not good, it depends certainly on the size of the rail 75x45mm or something? and height of the fence. I did ours with 4x4 posts, 75x45mm rails and that was on about 2m spacing, fence was 1800mm tall so wanted strength, if a lower fence you can open that up a bit. By your guys logic all our rooms should be exact multiples of 1200mm for plasterboard sizes! Edited August 18, 2020 by Carrerahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 If 3m wasn't a thing they wouldn't sell 3m Arris rails surely? The rails used round here are 75x75 with feather edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 It is different in Scotland where they have proper weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: It is different in Scotland where they have proper weather. I thought 3m would have been de rigueur up there as they're tighter! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr Punter said: It is different in Scotland where they have proper weather. We get some fairly proper wind here in the fens though, due to there being nothing in its way! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Randomusername said: We get some fairly proper wind here in the fens though, due to there being nothing in its way! ? More fingers to hold onto the fence panels surely? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 @Onoff gets the prize for most geographically distant British Mainland cultural insults in a thread page. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Onoff said: More fingers to hold onto the fence panels surely? ? Normal amount of fingers and toes, but webbed, is the more common thing I reckon. Which probably isn’t a great help when gripping materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Randomusername said: Normal amount of fingers and toes, but webbed, is the more common thing I reckon. Which probably isn’t a great help when gripping materials. Fens extend into Norfolk don't they? NFN and all that. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 Hopefully resolved the issue by virtue of the fact that I’m probably going to have to find a trademan to do it labour only, and order the materials myself, so that I can claim back the VAT on them... so I’m inclined to order 2.4 meter rails... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomusername said: Normal amount of fingers and toes, but webbed, is the more common thing I reckon. Which probably isn’t a great help when gripping materials. You could breed with @ToughButterCup and your spawn may have 10 digits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 So, for circa 35 metres close board fence on 3 arris rails on recessed concrete posts, concrete gravel board, capping; 1.8 meters height, bay next to front boundary tapering down to approx 1 metre. VAT registered quote, supply and fit, zero rated: £2500 Non VAT registered labour only quote: £900 Thoughts please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) This s a custom built-in-situ fence? £70 a metre is imo towards the high end of what one should expect to pay for a high quality installed 1.8m vertilap panel / 100mm x 100mm concrete posts / gravelboard 2m high fence. Anyone who knows their fencing suppliers and their own reliable labourers could perhaps get 20-25% off that. So you should have the option if you want it. My opinion. Ferdinand Edited August 21, 2020 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Ferdinand said: This s a custom built-in-situ fence? £70 a metre is imo towards the high end of what one should expect to pay for a high quality installed 1.8m vertilap panel / 100mm x 100mm concrete posts / gravelboard 2m high fence. Anyone who knows their fencing suppliers and their own reliable labourers could perhaps get 20-25% off that. So you should have the option if you want it. My opinion. Ferdinand Not panel - Continuous close board on arris rails bolted to recessed posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Randomusername said: Not panel - Continuous close board on arris rails bolted to recessed posts. Just pointing out that the cost was similar. Do you have a source for concrete posts with already created bolt holes? Could you link, as I do not have a source. It makes the install depth of the post quite critical (?) Ferdinand Edited August 22, 2020 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomusername Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) https://www.weavo.co.uk/product-details/fencing-and-gates/loose-fencing-materials/closeboard/recessed-concrete-post-for-closeboard.htm Yes depth is fairly important due to the fixed point at which the gravel board sits. Edited August 22, 2020 by Randomusername Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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