Whacking at an angle - sucking my teeth a bit - advice please

[ToughButterCup]

Normally I love whacking. Find it soothing. Occasionally a filling falls out , but what the heck. You end up with a nice smooooothe surface.

Now when @Mr Punter writes this, (here)

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The trench will need filling in any case and there is a mile of fall on the garden....  It can probably be backfilled with the as dug and compacted to the correct level without any great harm.  Maybe use a trench compactor if there is a lot of material.

 

I sit up and take notice. The word probably might be important innit?

 

I've backfilled .... like this 

 

gone is the sheer cliff face, insted, theres this 40 degree 'slide' - had fun rolling the glacial till boulders downhill....

 

And of course @Mr Punter is right: it needs compaction.

Now I never was Charles Atlas, or Geoff Capes - but Hell even those two would have found pulling or pushing a whacker up that slope a bit of a challenge.

 

Do I have to hire a fiver tonner and thump that sloped bit of the  trench hard with the bottom of the bucket?  

And once I have, how on earth do I get 100mm of gravel to sit nicely on the slope at 40 degrees?

 

 

 

[ProDave]

Rope and pulley to wind the wacker up and down the slope?

 

DON'T use round gravel.  It will roll like marbles. you need crushed irregular shaped gravel that will bind together.

[Declan52]

Do it in 1m sections so your not going up hill for long. 

Or

If you push down on the handle so it's sort of wheeling up then it goes up hill a bit better. 

A trench rammer is a different kind of beast. Pull the cord and hold on till your finished our your arms are ready to vibrate of you. Make sure your phone isn't in your pocket if your swinging of one of these. 

[Russell griffiths]

This is so easy 

hire a whacker from shop A, start at top and when you get to the bottom phone up and off hire it, when the bod turns up to collect it just point at the bottom of the hill and say there you go chummy. 

 

Repeat until all local hire shops have refused to serve you. 

 

Easy peasy. 

[bassanclan]

If you use the trench wacker suggested you can get up and down the hill no problem 

[Russell griffiths]

If you need any more boulders you can have this bugger, made the ol digger puff a bit. 

[Jeremy Harris]

From this hire website, for £70/week: https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Compaction/Trench-Rammer-Hire/050050/

 

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Excellent balance for easy control and high level compaction and is ideal for use on cohesive materials and gradients

 

[Russell griffiths]

On a serious note 

you can hire a reversible whacker

vibrate one way then flick the switch and vibrate back the other. 

[Miek]

40 degrees is quite a slope! I dont think you can 'Whack' your way uphill at that gradient, that's hard enough just to walk up. Id go downhill with a rope on the wacker to slow it down and hold it from the top with your hands whilst letting it out.  bring it back up with your digger.

 

However since you have a digger just thump the trench with the bucket to compact it every 150mm of fill, use the rounded back of the bucket to get harder compaction.

 

 

[ToughButterCup]

Alright you lot - how much trench ramming is just enough trench ramming , eh? Tell me that. 

How do you know when to stop?

[Miek]

It's only a drainage trench in a garden so no need to go crazy over it, just basic compaction will do IMO..

[scottishjohn]

23 minutes ago, Miek said:

It's only a drainage trench in a garden so no need to go crazy over it, just basic compaction will do IMO..

so this is a ditch 

to be filled with gravel as a sloping soak away 

or is there a pipe to go in it  then back filled 

 

 

[ToughButterCup]

It's part of the foul drainage run ....

[scottishjohn]

some of your boulders at bottom to act as a temporary dam while you fill up above them + compact it ?

[Russell griffiths]

Do you need to put this pipe in now. 

 

How about compacting 200mm layer with your feet and then just leave it alone, I find I do lots of land remodelling around my place and leaving a few days for the weather to dry/ wet,  settled the area naturally ready for me to then stamp it down again before adding another layer. 

 

Think about it, just back fill for an hour and go and get on with another chore and come back in the morning to do a little dance on it, do a bit every day for two weeks and it should firm up very well. 

 

No whacker needed. 

[MortarThePoint]

Hard work in a different way, but what about using a Tamper:

[ToughButterCup]

@Russell griffiths, @scottishjohn, @MortarThePoint, thanks very much. I've had each of your ideas, but knowing that I know just enough to be a danger to local shipping , it's extra good to read your posts 

[Pete]

19 hours ago, Russell griffiths said:

If you need any more boulders you can have this bugger, made the ol digger puff a bit. 

That's not a stone, this is!

[scottishjohn]

If we are comparing stones --I know i,m gonna win .LOL

things that the 14ton digger can only roll about --just can,t lift them  and some it can hardly even move .

[Russell griffiths]

42 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

If we are comparing stones --I know i,m gonna win .LOL

things that the 14ton digger can only roll about --just can,t lift them  and some it can hardly even move .

Would you post it. 

[ToughButterCup]

Blokes lining up to compare things.... ya couldn't have guessed could ya?

[scottishjohn]

3 hours ago, Russell griffiths said:

Would you post it. 

should be down that road to morrow -will get a picture of  my stones

[scottishjohn]

On 09/05/2020 at 17:43, scottishjohn said:

should be down that road to morrow -will get a picture of  my stones

wrong road today --maybe tomorrow 

[scottishjohn]

still not on right road today --spent it all dumper driving moved about 300tons today -minimum

but snapped a few of the moderate size ones on the road side 

thats my chainsaw helmet on them to give scale .

 your WEE diggers would not lift any of them 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by scottishjohn