MortarThePoint Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Covid-19 has stopped my self build in its tracks just prior to dig and pour of foundations. I have massively got the twitch to make something and have some materials on hand and time to do it. Thinking what to make I have decided to make a hybrid site hut come shepherd's hut. I have a couple of old (but sound) 5.2m x 2m trailer chassis which I'll use one of for this. I stripped the 100mm coldstore panels off a building that got demolished and have 100mm Celotex that came out of the slab. I've done some basic CAD and thought I'd share what I am up to and see if anyone has any thoughts. Haven't thought about windows or internal stuff, also likely either clad with feather edge or plywood and vertical battens (US style). Base is 5.2m long and 2.2m wide so overhangs the side of the trailer by 100mm on each side. Doorway is currently 1800mm wide. Shown as 2000mm high but the panels could be cut to raise the ceiling a fair bit. Front View: End View: I haven't spent the time filling in the part of the panels that would extend up to to meet the curved roof. Section View: I've allowed for the roof / ceiling to be made out of curved corrugated sheet steel with 150mm of loft insulation and 5mm sheet plywood curved to make the ceiling. You can see the uncovered frame of the endwall. Notice the timber cross braces that extend into the 'living space' but rigidity. Skeleton: All made of 4x2 (95x47) timber. The insulated panels are quite strong themselves but need to be restrained. The plan it to use scrws top and bottom into the timber to secure the insulated panels. End wall: All timber 4x2. Propose to use 18mm plywood screwed to interior surface to provide shear stiffening. Base: All 4x2 timber with 18mm Exterior grade plywood sheets screwed on top or bottom (if bottom then add timber flooring to inside of hut. I think it needs: Skeleton: 53m of 4x2 untreated + 4 sheets 18mm plywood Base: 57m of 4x2 treated + 5 sheets exterior 18mm plywood Roof: 13m2 curved corrugated steel, 13m2 150mm loft roll, 5 sheets 5mm plywood When finished as a site office I can line the insulated panels with 5mm plywood and paint etc adding guestroom like furniture. What do people think? Will it stand up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russdl Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Looks impressive and should definitely keep you busy! I think you ought to get some windows in there at the planning stage though, this does not look like a temporary structure and it'll make it so much more useable in the both the short and long term imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taff Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Do you need planning on a shepherds hut on wheels or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 NO, temporary structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 To be converted to a site hut later then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 I'll work out where to put the windows more from the shepherds hut perspective. It may be a while until it gets used as a site hut unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Thought I'd add a picture of the chassis. It's pretty high for a shepherd's hut, but use what you've got. Lots of sanding and red oxide paint in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 That looks great, it reminds me more of a railway carriage than a Shepherd's hut. I want one too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jilly said: That looks great, it reminds me more of a railway carriage than a Shepherd's hut. I want one too! It should be fun and provide a useful bit of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundtuit Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 That looks just the job! My wife's got a long standing 'Romany Caravan' aspiration, and one day it'll make a good project. I keep my eyes open for an old 4-wheel trailer every time I pass an old farmyard, hoping to find one in the nettles I can buy for a tenner! I bet there are dozens around just rotting away, but I think they are becoming quite desirable for this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Perfect trailer for the job and when you put a “skirt” on it it won’t look so high up, as it will just make the hut look bigger from the outside....kind of tardis in reverse! I too look endlessly for a trailer like this for the exact same project...... luckily I have not found one for a tenner yet so I can concentrate on all my other projects ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 Good idea with the skirt. It should be really handy for all sorts of things. I'll try to keep this thread topped up with progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 dig a couple of deep ruts, run it in to them and it won't be so high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Simplysimon said: dig a couple of deep ruts, run it in to them and it won't be so high We may end up moving it around a bit, otherwise it would work well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Cpd said: Perfect trailer for the job and when you put a “skirt” on it Extra storage as well. Can put a small A2A heat pump in there, maybe MVHR, a few batteries, small genny, water filtration, DHW cylinder and waste treatment plant. Then some solar slates on the roof, and forget all about building a house. You can get @pocsterto run some CAT7 to a server as well. Edited April 4, 2020 by SteamyTea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Would look nice with some walk on glazing in the floor ....There was some on eBay for £9.99 delivered, but I’m sure @pocster could do a better deal than that ..... ? Seriously though that looks a really nice project. You could always get a flat tank to go under it and have a proper toilet etc in it. They aren’t expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, PeterW said: Would look nice with some walk on glazing in the floor ....There was some on eBay for £9.99 delivered, but I’m sure @pocster could do a better deal than that ..... ? Seriously though that looks a really nice project. You could always get a flat tank to go under it and have a proper toilet etc in it. They aren’t expensive. Somehow that conjured up the image of an underfloor waste tank with a glazed porthole on the top . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jeremy Harris said: glazed porthole on the top Is @pocster walk on glazing circular, I thought it was just the wrong size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jeremy Harris said: Somehow that conjured up the image of an underfloor waste tank with a glazed porthole on the top . . . A viewing panel for the sewage tank would make it easier to tell when it's almost full. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 I thought I would canvas opinions. I was planning to use studding on the end walls to stiffen them up and help against wind loads etc. Whilst the insulated panels are stiff, I'd rather have something a bit extra to help against shear. That's what the 4 sheets of 18mm plywood are to help with. I was wondering if people thought 18mm was overkill? The other 18mm plywood is for the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 18mm ply for racking is overkill IMO. On studding I would have thought 11mm would suffice, go 15mm to “hang” stuff on if you want. What are you going to clad the outside with? (I had plans to make a Shepard’s hut, even bought some cast iron wheels for it. One day eh!). Edited April 4, 2020 by joe90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 In the short term I'll lave the insulated panels exposed as they have an external skin of painted metal. In the long run I'll probably go with feather edged board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: In the short term I'll lave the insulated panels exposed as they have an external skin of painted metal. In the long run I'll probably go with feather edged board. I like the galvanised corrugated look like many original Shepard’s huts but it’s not every bodies cup of tea!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortarThePoint Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 14 hours ago, joe90 said: I like the galvanised corrugated look like many original Shepard’s huts but it’s not every bodies cup of tea!. It is nice and I wondered about that. Also considering the US style of vertical battens on sheet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: It is nice and I wondered about that. Also considering the US style of vertical battens on sheet: yes, I like that as well!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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