Stick framing a whole house..

[Coops]

Ok..so I'm as rusty as hell, but before I eventually came off the tools 15 years ago I was/am, a qualified and time served carpenter/joiner (I like to think a pretty decent one too) admittedly more experienced in fit out than first fix framing, but I have cut a few roofs and first fixed a fair amount, wood is wood when all said and done.  

 

Once the design engineering process is complete...other than it taking a millennia, what's stopping me dusting off my Paslodes and building the whole thing on site, on my tod, stick by stick...??

 

Anyone else done this???‍♂️?

 

[Big Jimbo]

Nothing. Do it.

[MikeSharp01]

We are doing it with I joists and I am not a time served chippy so it should be  a breeze for someone who is. 

[Patrick]

Nothing wrong with that idea. I m stick building on site. Should be cheaper then any other method if you got some skills as well.

 

[ToughButterCup]

27 minutes ago, Coops said:

Ok..so I'm as rusty as hell... ...

 

Modesty

[Tony C]

 

Japanese stick build video-

The builder lines up top and bottom timber and mark the line at the same time. Also he cover the whole thing with plywood then cut out the window with jigsaw. Pretty smart.

 

 

 

[Coops]

22 minutes ago, Tony C said:

 

Japanese stick build video-

The builder lines up top and bottom timber and mark the line at the same time. Also he cover the whole thing with plywood then cut out the window with jigsaw. Pretty smart.

 

 

 

Building the frames is the easy bit, it's raising them on my own that concerns me?

[Patrick]

11 hours ago, Coops said:

Building the frames is the easy bit, it's raising them on my own that concerns me?

@Russell griffiths

 had a brilliant link there for a wall lift. Can order that from Australia or US. Maybe he can dig out the link for you.

Found it :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Floor-Deck-Lifting-Jack-Raise-Wall-Beam-Construction-Heavy-Duty-Tool-1000lb-Load-/232904288941?nav=SEARCH

 

Even though I seen it for less than 150$ before.

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by Patrick
Found the links

[Hobbiniho]

Nothing stopping you doing it, although i would rather make a kit in a shed where its warm and dry then erect on site. Also nothing stopping you framing a roof but beware that it will need to be properly detailed and the timbers will be bigger than an trussed roof with pressed connecting plates. The other thing to think about is that paslode nails are generally not good enough to make the kit, kits are usually nailed together with 3.9x100mm twists not paslode nails

[Coops]

Thanks Hobiniho

 

I'd most likely use a combo of glue, screws and nails, I'd need to get my SE to specify connections.

In terms of building , I'd probably go with a large gazebo set up, on top of the slab. I do also have a small workshop on site.  The doing bit isn't the issue for me, framing's fairly simple, what's more difficult is establishing if it's actually commercially viable to do it all myself when compared to a specialised TF company. Fleming have quoted 48k to fabricate and install based on PP sketches....Could I actually purchase the material and do it myself for that kind of money? Without the benefit of accurate MTO's from CI drawings it's impossible to cost up.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what kind of a saving (if any) I could make?

 

Cheers 

[Tennentslager]

This is not a house but I kept my panels to 3m which one person can just about lift, easy with two.

Blog here

 

I did have plenty of ramblers passing by who were happy to help... the memorable ones where the three generations of Norn Irn farmers who knew masses about building, hands like shovels too!

Three 90+ ladies ( I kid you not) from Palm beach, Florida dressed in pastel terry towelling jump suits and full make up (they declined to help lift OSB to the roof) but had very negative things to say about the then Republican nominee, The Donald. One lady was a retired property attorney with direct experience of him welching on a deal and not paying his debts...

And finally the couple of twenty something pony tailed nurses from Sussex who did help lift a panel onto the pile but seemed fairly suspicious of the motives of the middle aged man asking for a hand, oops. They didn’t take their rucksacks off or stop for a blether either

Happy days if you work in the spring/summer and even better if you have some help now and then?

[Tennentslager]

8 minutes ago, Coops said:

Thanks Hobiniho

 

I'd most likely use a combo of glue, screws and nails, I'd need to get my SE to specify connections.

In terms of building , I'd probably go with a large gazebo set up, on top of the slab. I do also have a small workshop on site.  The doing bit isn't the issue for me, framing's fairly simple, what's more difficult is establishing if it's actually commercially viable to do it all myself when compared to a specialised TF company. Fleming have quoted 48k to fabricate and install based on PP sketches....Could I actually purchase the material and do it myself for that kind of money? Without the benefit of accurate MTO's from CI drawings it's impossible to cost up.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what kind of a saving (if any) I could make?

 

Cheers 

Joiner mate priced this sort of thing a  decade ago and concluded he could not come anywhere near the TF company by doing it himself 

If your labour is free, that’s different 

[Coops]

2 minutes ago, Tennentslager said:

Joiner mate priced this sort of thing a  decade ago and concluded he could not come anywhere near the TF company by doing it himself 

If your labour is free, that’s different 

I wouldn't factor my time in, just materials and site prelims.

[jonM]

10 minutes ago, Coops said:

Fleming have quoted 48k to fabricate and install based on PP sketches....Could I actually purchase the material and do it myself for that kind of money? Without the benefit of accurate MTO's from CI drawings it's impossible to cost up.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what kind of a saving (if any) I could make?

 

Cheers 

 

It depends on what the quote includes and the size of the house. My house was a stick built 174 sq.m house and to give you an idea the I-joists and glulam beams required cost £9200 ex vat. 

[Coops]

2 minutes ago, jonM said:

 

It depends on what the quote includes and the size of the house. My house was a stick built 174 sq.m house and to give you an idea the I-joists and glulam beams required cost £9200 ex vat. 

Interesting, seems reasonable, 48k is based on 200m2.

 

[Coops]

On 03/12/2019 at 19:06, MikeSharp01 said:

We are doing it with I joists and I am not a time served chippy so it should be  a breeze for someone who is. 

What made you go for I joists?

[Patrick]

@Tennentslager

This immediately cought my attention :

1 hour ago, Tennentslager said:

 

I did have plenty of ramblers passing by who were happy to help... ?

Where did you get all the helping hands from.

Asking for a friend. ?

Edited December 7, 2019 by Patrick

[MikeSharp01]

On 07/12/2019 at 17:48, Coops said:

What made you go for I joists?

Two reasons. Firstly I have always found natural timber very obdurate in that it never stays where you put it. It struck me that engineered timber got round this. Secondly I could not achieve the open spans we wanted in normal timber unless I wanted to go for very large sections.

Edited December 8, 2019 by MikeSharp01
Typo

[Coops]

1 hour ago, MikeSharp01 said:

Two reasons. Firstly I have always found natural timber very obdurate in that it never stays where you put it. It struck me that engineered timber got round this. Secondly I could not achieve the open spans we wanted in normal timber unless I wanted to go for very large sections.

Quite a compelling argument in favour.

 

Thanks 

[Russdl]

1 hour ago, MikeSharp01 said:

obdurate

 

Excellent word. Now where’s my dictionary ?

Edited December 8, 2019 by Russdl

[SteamyTea]

36 minutes ago, Russdl said:

obdurate

Mean Trump or Johnson.

[MikeSharp01]

1 hour ago, SteamyTea said:

1 hour ago, Russdl said:

obdurate

Mean Trump or Johnson

Nope = "stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or course of action" I was using the latter meaning in that it, natural wood, can absolutely be relied upon to warp / twist / shrink / bend constantly until you get it in a controlled environment. You have to admire chippy types who understand the nature of wood to such an extent that they can cope with this as I find it frustrating.