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thanks Peter ...I feel like I am back at school Work getting handed back with lots of RED on it ... remember the old "See Me" they used to put on it ? I wonder do they still do that LOL * I get the top bit ..that extended line is a" Rodding eye" right? * and then it runs the full length (about 15m) picking up the downstairs WC, and that "angle" is OK ? i suppose after all there is no other "chunky" waste going down there ...except the wifes leftover lentils ! *On the right hand side, I can see that it runs UNDER the property, would this also have a rodding eye at the top right, as i keep reading that it should be rodded "downstream" only ..would that be right? sorry for the questions PS. I suppose the optimal place for the "stench pipe" is just above he sunroom in the image (to the right of it as you look at it)? and am i right in thinking the downstairs WC does not NEED a stench pipe at all ?..to be honest i dont really understand their "mechanics"
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I think i MIGHT be over thinking this sewage diagram. Perhaps i am going loopy with inspection chambers I have been advised that its FINE to run waste UNDER the slab ...but I don't like the idea of it ... ..Do you know what I mean ? I like to be able to get at stuff without demolition ! Anyway ...I have been looking at where waste will be originating in this build 1. Downstairs there is a small WC and of course a fair bit of it coming from the greywaste in the kitchen along the wall 2. Upstairs its all located along the one wall ...basically above the sunroom, well not exactly ...but you know Now if these sites I am reading suggest that every time you make a substantial turn, you need an inspection cover ? Well as you can see below ..I will have FOUR ....is that normal ? Also as we are PICKING UP our parents waste (they are currently on a cesspit) its a fair run out to the road. When i manage to get the top off and check the invert level ..i hope i can get enough fall along this legnth , as I am guessing the more manholes ...the more STEPS DOWN i will be going ..and may well end up UNDER the Road Mains That will make me a gibbering wreck !?!?
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What constitutes the START as regards to Building Regs?
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The only reference i can find is the link below.. https://www.milton-keynes.gov.uk/planning-and-building/planning-policy/community-infrastructure-levy-and-s106 this seems to say that we don't even have a CIL scheme in MK ....or am i reading it right ? none of the planning apps we filled mentioned it and the building regs guidance document doesnt mention it either- 17 replies
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I ma sure i looked into this a few months ago and i believe we found out as it was a dwelling under a certain size, we were exempt ..does that sound right ?- 17 replies
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you are not wrong Declan !!!
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hi, Probably obvious this one ...but i don't know the answer Currently i m waiting for my timber frame supplier to finish and give me the Building Regs document for their bit ...ETA 4 weeks I am in process of drawing up the sewage and services layout for my bit ...ETA 1 Week My foundation company say they NEVER do them and the "setting out drawing" and the "load calcs" (from the frame company will suffice All seems to be tickling along ... Although I just got an email saying that the although the foundations are going in about 4-6 weeks, the foundation company are going to crack an entrance by removing bushes (as currently there is none) , start grading the land and dropping some hardcore in there in advance of the Foundation and frame vehicles Am i silly in thinking that Building regs should be already FILED by the time work starts ? or does the above not count as WORK ? I dont want to be accused of breaching some law or other ?!?- 17 replies
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well, I have called it quits for today ... the bar gets it up ..but not enough to get a wedge under it as the lip on the lid must be at least 3 inches, I am guessing both sides need to be lifted SQUARE or they basically jar so the full time results are ... 3 hours, 2 men, 2 steel handled grafts, BIG screwdriver, lump hammer, 2 manhole keys and a 4ft crowbar = 0 Manhole cover =1
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Good Idea Peter ! Brute force to avoid a £70 a day hire charge (for hydraulic lifter) ....I like it I had a little blue one in the garage ..but i am thinking i will mosey down to Screwfix for this BABY !! https://www.screwfix.com/p/roughneck-gorilla-bar-48/29330
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Will do thanks J.. I just trotted out to the road with my newly purchase £8 manhole keys to get a quick invert level ..(whistling as i went) WELL..I was ambitious to say the least. I was swinging back on them like King Kong on Big Ben and I am 20+ stone ...and i think it moved precisely 1mm So i thought ..I know !! ..I will put a pick axe in the hole and get some leverage ... Yes...you guessed it ...snapped the damn handle in half LOL Either these drain covers are stuck or they weigh 100 stone ! maybe both!! it is a SPLIT cover ...now I am thinking perhaps they need to be lifted in some sort of sequence ? or perhaps they have been welded or fixed together God ..I feel weak ps (I stopped whistling) PS just in case you all think I am daft..i DID ask Anglian water for this information, and the gist of the answer is as follows: We will send you an area map of the sewage and water supplies in your vicinity, with the various manholes marked on them. a) No we cannot guarantee these diagrams will be right as work is constantly ongoing and you may need to cross check with your local authority planning department* b) We cant give you an accurate invert level, as if inaccurate (due to surface changes) we could be held accountable, but you can measure it yourself, no problem* * not verbatim, but you get the idea
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good grief! Well our drive will be gravel on some compacted hardcore base ... due mainly to finance and not aesthetics ..its fairly dry stuff here and water just literally disappears .... very stony stuff underneath ...so that seems good But of course the roof will need to drain into some sort of soakaway (I am surmising) I bet there is some calculation based on sqM as i cant see them letting me plonk a wire litter basket full of sawdust in the ground .. LOL
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thanks Nod I just have a LOT to squeeze in one trench to be honest its this "underground" stuff that frightens me the most.. ..what with the pipes going UNDER the sunroom are back at the house, and everyone talking about 1:50 and 1:80 falls etc some people are telling me that I will need a soakaway as "they" dont LIKE you sending rainwater down the sewage drains ...but i cant find any reference to it ..good or bad on the forms i have (sigh) *they is normally meaning the council/BCO/environment or any other God-Like entity that makes rules for us to follow
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Good Afternoon All Well its time to finalise my drawing and sewage and services layout. As some of you know (due to location) ...I am actually bringing ALL my connections past our parents house (on the edge of their land) In return for letting us, we are connecting them to the main sewer with our build half the houses here are still "on the pits" ..including theirs Now I have tried to measure everything in 10cm / 100mm blocks and got the drawing below. Obviously this is the "busiest" part as this is between our parents and next door and it is where they will connect to our sewage via a 450mm manhole (which is that box in the middle Looking at the below and bearing in mind that T=Telecom. E=Electric G=Gas and W=Water and of course WW = Waste water (sewage) Will i be safe using this as a cross section for the Building regs ?
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hmm.. I am just wondering ....Its obvious that the frame builders will need a FULL scaffold and the roofers too,, but the brickies and render guys ...can they work of a hired tower or something ? like this perhaps ? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gleichlaufend-Aluminium-Portable-Scaffolding-Universal/dp/B00KX8KH6Q I don't want to make anything unsafe ..but obviously don't want a full scaffold rig to hang about due to hire costs
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Well Peter, it is enough to Get the Timber Frame guys up there to put up the Frame and Trusses. I am guessing here ...but from what i can gather its can be 2w-4w (apparently) ..and then directly afterwards the roofers will need it (probably a different config though)...say 2-3 weeks (I have been told) ,,,but I have been advised tha they like to point and flash up a fortnight later ....after it settles ....so make that 5 weeks My house is almost square (if you include the sunroom) 12.5m (the image below may be useful) eek! ...fingers crossed the brickies and renderers bring their own small scaffold PS THIS IS NOT THE COLOUR OF THE RENDER OR BRICK ...just defining the areas It is actually reclaimed brick (or at least aged) and cream coloured render
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Ah, yes the weekly checks at £100 + VAT a check I just read the small print on the quote I am going to have to give this a coat of thinking around, as i dont want to upset the council BCO or cross and HSE rubicons Its my fault i didn't check the cost on my initial calculation ...I pencilled it in as £2k and though there would be some slack ! HaHa...now I am trying to hire it ....its a dose of REAL LIFE NUMBERS
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Evening all, just had a quote for my scaffolding. Basically for the timber framers to work on and then directly after the roofers ... Its a bitty invoice, all split into sections with various costs. But If I am reading it right it SEEMS to suggest it could cost me (for approx 16 weeks hire) over £7000 !! Am i daft in thinking this is ridiculous ?
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yes, a lovely house Peter ...probably too contemporary for my wife but i like it a lot (sshhh) Sorry to hear of your woes Peter, but it given me a lot to think about ... Its probably too late for me to change my mind now with PP agreed and building regs going through
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Well as we move into costing (while i wait for final Building regs to be done) I have discovered a strange enigma "Brick Slips" Our house design has copious brick slip cladding, but a REAL brick chimney planned. But ALL the bricklayers we have spoken to don't do them, never heard of them, suggest tilers, and all the tilers we have spoken to (some recommended) have never done them either ...but are prepared to "have a bash, for cash" ?! Now the company that sells these is http://www.brickslips.net/ I have contacted them for a list of their recommended installers in the SE ...tumble weed time! I guess they only want to sell and not get involved with recommending Does anyone have any experience of these, just to give you an example ...Brick slips or Brick Tiles as some call them: here is a video of them going on (although I am not sure this will be the applicable way on our Timber SIPS Potton build
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Same as always.. If we all didn't: a) legally have to have it b) ignore all the exclusions and small print It wouldn't be worth having in 90% of the cases
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I know its an old-ish thread. But ..I was wondering does anyone have any recommendation for good value Site Insurance. To avoid doubt i DO NOT mean the Insurance for the 10yr Guarantee thing ....as all the websites seem to think I want I mean the statutory liability for HSE compliance , tools theft and damage and injury whilst construction is taking place. That type of thing Anyone bought that separately ?
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Thanks Nod, I am originally from Manchester. I moved down here last year with my wife. believe it or not there is a WORLD of difference in the price of almost everything in SE England, I am not sure why ...it's not like we have any more money (in my case anyway) Perhaps I am becoming a miserable old git ....but it seems like any trade no matter how small starts a small maintenance job at £500 and goes up from there ....whereas in Manchester ...they start at £100/£150 ... Tree Cutting, Ridge Tile replacement (Wind damage) ...even the brakes on my car ! ,thats why I have become a bit "consultant-phobic" ....it always seem to start at one price and then prove to be more as it goes on.... ...and then of course it's embarrassing to say "well, i really cant afford it"
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Thanks Nod, I am more than happy to "have a go" at doing my own foundation drawing. It would be helpful if i could see someone else's especially if they had a timber frame / soleplates / block and beam ! arrangement !
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Good Afternoon All. I seem to be progressing on my new build and I should have the Building Regs documents back from Potton in a few weeks. I am going to put them with my own drainage layout and Bingo ..the lorries can roll (or so i thought) After a talk this morning with Potton it seems that the bit in the Order that says THEY do all the layouts and stuff, is only applicable if you pay the extra for them to do the planning permission and all such like ...(sigh) I am OK with the drainage layout as its a "funny one"as we are going through our parents land to connect to all services .. ..about 50m in all (thankfully most of it in their garden, so we can do the work ourselves) What has reared its head is the "foundation plan" ...or "foundation engineer report" ...I had never heard the words until today from Potton. So I called up the company doing the foundations and they tell me they quoted (and expect it to be) they HAVE visited the site and we have got a soil report ....so.........100cm x 60cm / Beam and Block ...which from what I can see is a standard. They have told me they have never been ASKED to make an engineer report for a foundation Potton said they will give the foundation company the "Slab setting out plan" and "line and point loads plan" ? ....but I don't think that is the same So I guess what I am asking is... a) will the council expect this ? b) is it basically a drawing I could do? b) does anyone have something i could look at to get an idea thanks in advance Eddie
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