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Ultimately the floor output has to be considered when compared to the whole house demand, so for example. House 200m² and heat demand of 3kW would require the floor output to be 3000W / 200, or 15W per m², if the whole house had UFH, but as you are on 3 storeys of equal floor area (assumed) on each floor you now need 3x the output from ground floor UFH. So 45W per m². If on 200mm centres for the UFH loops that would be approx 40 degs flow temp on the coldest day and the UFH would provide heating for the whole house. 150mm centres would drip that be a couple of degrees.
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Not sure who is leading you down that path? But it's nonsense. Your UFH system should be manifold, floor loops and that is pretty much it. All run in weather compensation on a fully open system, certainly no buffer. A volumiser may add running time when warm outside. No actuators or thermostats are needed. All heat pump will flow at 25 some at 20 in heating mode. The way UFH works is via dispersion of heat within the screed. The further it has the travel the more the temperature drops via radial conduction.
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Do you need 21 in bedrooms - no, is it comfortable sleeping in 21 degs bedrooms - for me no. Trouble is when you start adding radiators with a different design temperature you also need to add mixers etc to UFH. If going MCS route they design bedrooms at 20 I believe. Do you actually need radiators at all - maybe not? Many on here haven't bothered when they have an upstairs and maybe added an electric point in bedrooms for a panel heater as insurance. Having lived in multiple properties from old and drafty to modern and airtight we have never had heating in bedrooms. Slight lie currently have UFH in bedrooms but buried below high tog carpet, so it rubbish anyway. Are you expecting any overheating in summer. If so why not fan coils. Then flow at UFH flow temps and have decent cooling when it's hot. Make sure the heat pump you are getting does cooling out the box.
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I did the same also, so I could build the walls. It's very cost effective route, especially DIY.
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General cost adders are 1. not planning well enough, there should be no surprises once out the ground. 2. Deviations from drawings once drawn. 3. Getting carried away with expensive kitchens and bathrooms. My advise Plan everything at the drawing stage. Map out you sockets and lights Map out all your plumbing and heating - how are you heating? Map out a ventilation scheme Massive savings are possible by keeping things simple - one zone heating fully open system. Fully understand how and what you are doing about insulation airtightness etc - if planned well, need not cost you anything additional. All the above allows you to spot bargains but ahead of time and save loads. Things on your plan that look expensive already are 1. the corner with the glazing in the lounge - looks like and expensive structural detail you could eliminate. 2. Do you need french doors in the dining area?
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Welcome - not a lot of budget, but on the plus side it's a modest house. But I assume you will be doing a lot of the actual work yourself - if not the money will soon disappear.
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You can legally already install balcony solar. But it cannot be plugged straight into a socket, as it is in most parts of the world, it needs to go a consumer unit.
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Self build house - is MVHR worth cost?
JohnMo replied to Wadrian's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
My first quotes were circa £10k - which is just bonkers. Ended up installing two units (good for my layout) total cost circa £2k for self installation and professional commissioning. Compared to houses with piss poor ventilation, which is most, it's ace. More like being outside than inside. If you don't have an airtight strategy (you really should have one), I would do dMEV or MEV with humidity control and most importantly humidity activated trickle vents. This is the lowest install cost, least ongoing maintenance that gives decent ventilation with undue ventilation heat loss. -
Self build house - is MVHR worth cost?
JohnMo replied to Wadrian's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
Balanced - supply and extract. -
Accessing PV Optimisers or Microinverters for Maintenance
JohnMo replied to LnP's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
First do you need either? Optimisers, if you have definitely got shading issues from fixed objects, otherwise don't bother. Micro inverters, never seen the appeal, if you doing a battery install at same time you are likely to have a hybrid inverter anyway. Single string inverter multiple mttp's are cheap as chips and readily available, if not having a battery -
Panasonic do this also
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Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
JohnMo replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
Going big isn't really playing it safe with heat pumps. You may need to add a volumiser to keep cycling in check. -
Just looking at you Loopcad the dT looks to 10 degs in the most part, you are going to be nearer 4 to 6. So that will drop your flow temp a couple of degrees for the same mean temperature. The design temp flow temperature is only a very short window of the year most the time it nowhere that cold outside. Even for 600m² you heat loss of 12kW sounds very high. Especially for Hampshire.
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Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
JohnMo replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
@Benpointer, just read your profile and the spec of your house. You should be near 2.5kW heating demand in Dorset. If so the 7kW Panasonic is huge, there smallest heat pump would be better suited? -
Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
JohnMo replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
I'm at 192m2, all vaulted loads of glass, did 7 loops, all works fine, your loss must be quite a bit higher, to need an 7kW heat pump as well. Are you a new build? If so are you sure you need that big a heat pump? -
Or designed for the same condition but 6 miles from the coast. Plenty of defrosting goes on, even at very low temperatures.
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Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
JohnMo replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
But vague, you need to look at the specific model, as different sizes have different pumps. Has the UFH been designed or thumb in air guess? With 16 loops the flow rate could be pretty high. So will need some thinking about. What size is your floor? -
block mortar mix for internal single skin 7.3n celcon blocks
JohnMo replied to LSB's topic in Brick & Block
If you wet the blocks before cementing, they will stick together way better. The blocks suck all the water out of the cement and you are left with nothing to cure. Hence it being very weak bond. -
Maybe a different set of rules, we have diddly to enforce manufacturer to tell us stuff, maybe other European countries demand a full range of tech data. Vaillant UK information is best part of zero. Almost trust me - we are 'Vaillant'. Even their badging is suspect, choose a 7kW ASHP and it puts 9.4kW at -2. Mitsubishi, not always easy to find, but published, have pretty robust set of data. Quite like there new 8kW with two compressors, one fixed output 2kW and one 6kW inverter driven. Should cover all bases.
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Have you looked at the data book I attached above? Me thinks they just don't want to tell you. Here is snippet - all temps full range of compressor speed. All compressor sizes in data book attached above.
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Big money on eco upgrades for a 8 point DROP on SAP
JohnMo replied to miike's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Not really I just installed an additional 1kWp was about £400, for everything, doing 2kWp would add £200. -
Possibly the easiest solution.
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Just found a trend I posted on another thread For clarity the boiler and heat pump were running, the boiler sat behind a plate exchanger and added heat to the ASHP flow. ASHP on its own takes nearly twice as long to heat cylinder.
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I was doing 210L in that time frame
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Can see this happening and more. Most new heat pumps are already equipped with smart grid functions - so electric company can switch on off at will, so why not PV feeding a communal battery? Octopus have tariffs that take over control of your battery, in house or in car to charge or discharge at will Wouldn't be what I would choose to do. But that's the way things are moving.
