Nickfromwales

Can I nominate a pub in South Wales? Preferably one I can walk home pissed from.

Is that tape and joint or proper wet plaster? Looks like tape joints and those crappy paper vs metal beads on the corners and edges.

Best to yank the band aid off and state that you’re not willing to accept substandard work, much as they wouldn’t accept you paying them short on a Friday

@jfb May be a good idea to add a TF1 mag filter.

Yup. 👍. We used to keep the worst ones, usually those off coal setups, where you literally can’t see through a 6” piece of pipe with the T in the middle of it. It was hard work to get a screwdriver through some of them. Heat only systems suck imho, and its system boiler / sealed and pressurised all the way these days. Just done a big job for another member here, and their brand new WB heat only boiler was a total PITA to purge and get going again. The only thing I didn’t touch was the biggest arse to sort out when recommissioning the UVC and heating etc. All the components (pumps / differential bypass / motorised vales / expansion vessel and top up loop etc) strewn throughout the locality up the attic….just WHY?!?! when a system boiler conversion would have been a doddle and deleted most of that 6m of gas pipe, and one lonely (broken) clip was their offering to secure said gas pipe. The only thing otherwise securing the gas run was the nut and olive on the jig of the boiler 😮. Embarrassingly shite work. All sorted now thank feck. I love attics, me.

All part of the service, ma’am. 🤝

@Mr Blobby You need to get the slab fully grouted and fully filled, and get this so there is nowhere for the screed to disappear down or in to. You mention your lively plastered walls, but seriously? Nobody’s going to expect you to pour a liquid upstairs that ends up downstairs. This worries the deck out of me to hear you say that. Time to stop the ambiguity mate, and grab this by the balls. If you’ve builders around, or not, all that needs doing is to make up a semi-dry mix of 6:1 sand/cement, get a gauger trowel and a pointing trowel, and get filling in every single nook and cranny. A wet sponge can then be used to work the last of the mix into a filling paste, that you then ram into any remaining cracks / voids etc where wall meets slab and so on. Get this right, and you’ll be fine and ready for the pour. Use foam perimeter skirting (insulation if you will) to run around the entirety of walls to give some expansion relief. Choose the one with the polythene skirt, and the weight of the screed pouring out over this actually creates the seal. As for anyone’s thoughts on which BS insulation layer to waste money on……”none”. Just get the slab mopped and near saturated with 50/50 SBR/water with a janitors mop immediately before the pour and crack on; this removes or locks in any contamination or debris and allows the slab to be primed and cleaned so it adheres well. Give me a buzz if you want to chat

There should be at least a manual air bleed then? How hard have you hunted for one?

Another big issue with gravity arrangements is that the T blocks up with crud where the F&E (small plastic “Feed and Expansion” tank in the attic) T’s into the heating system. This prevents the feed water topping the system back up, but the tank stays full and you don’t think there’s an issue with it filling itself up ‘automatically’. Every single time I did “old to new” conversions, someone was tasked with popping as many floorboards as was necessary to find the T in question, and every single one got cut out, and replaced with a straight section of new pipe (lazy plumbers just cap the 15mm pipe off and bin the F&E tank ( @SimonD will know what state these get into ). The F&E tank can be full to look at, but be sat there not actually feeding back into the system, so the entire first floor of rads would often be less than half full of water and doing diddly-squat as no new ‘feed’ water getting into the system as needed. It doesn’t take much of a blockage to stop this. Seeing as this thread was just moving sideways, the next thing to do is reverse fill the system and then I think we’ll get some results. As the system refuses to get itself going after the pump change, and the topology makes me think it should, then this is what I think is going on. @jfb, you will need to get a hose on an outside tap and bring it inside. Q: can you find a drain off cock down as low in the system as possible. Let us see a pic of the pumps and motorised valves etc, wide angled if possible so we can see the pipework etc, and under the pump or near one of the downstairs rads is where you should find a drain off. You need a +1 and a +2 ideally for the reverse full up btw, so bribe a mate with beer and send them up the attic with a torch. They need to monitor that tank without deviation. Put the hose onto the drain off and use a suitably sized jubilee / hose clip to secure it on tight as feck. You do not want this coming off ‘mid whoosh’, ask me how I first found this out…… So. Once the hose is on, and you’ve secured it, and it’s connected to the outside tap (or a mains cold washing machine tap) you now have the mother of all balancing acts to perform. You will need to open the outside tap just a half turn or so, so you can see the hose filling with water pressure. It’s not advisable to let this fully equalise with the cold mains as that’s when the hose and clip are going to want to shoot off. The idea is to get this to have more ‘head’ / pressure than the heating system. This is usually noted when the hose on the drain off starts to swell up and start to look like it is about to go pop. Then you open the drain off cock and let cold mains enter the system from the bottom up. Now the fun begins. Have the heating turned on and running, so the motorised valve is energised and open, and the pump is running on its highest setting. You then need to have the attic victim on high alert. You will be back filling the system so the thing to go wrong here is to be filling up the system unaware that the F&E tank is now about to overflow and puke out into the attic. This balancing act is controlled by attic person and hose / outside tap person being on their phones all the way through this purge process, so the moment the F&E tank starts to fill up, the person on the outside tap can speed up or slow down to stop the F&E tank overflowing. It’s fine for the water to get up to the overflow and some escape down it, but this needs to be”live communications” for obvs reasons. If it gets to the overflow, tap person shuts off the cold mains and stands by. Now rope the wife in. Whilst this is going on, you need to vent the rads on the first floor and see if they start letting air out. If the F&E tank T is blocked, then you may not see the water level begin to rise in the tank immediately, so be prepared for that to go pop all of a sudden (as the crud gives way) and then tap person needs to be told to slow down or stop with a bit of gusto. Once rads are confirmed as full of water, and the F&E tank has raised / lowered at least once, then you turn off the outside tap, close the drain off, and go see if all is now working as it should. If this doesn’t get the system working, I will eat everybody’s hats. Issues to avoid: Blasting cold mains water clean out of the F&E tank. Please video this for our entertainment if so. Letting the central heating water get down the hose and back into the cold mains pipe work via the outside tap. Likelihood is that the cold mains pressure will mean this cannot happen, but one to consider. When you’ve finished doing this purge, run lots of clean water through the hose to make sure it’s not contaminated, eg with inhibitor etc. After a day or two of normal operation, you can look at treating with inhibitor and booking a holiday. Hows that sound? One for today and then you’ll be up and running I reckon.

Ok, then the rads upstairs must be where the system shunts air to, and then you bleed these off. That suggests the pump and valves etc are all lower than the first floor rads, and therefore you may not need an auto air vent in the system.

Just had this same enquiry with a project where the clients went with Nordan. They had options for bottom handle, top hinged etc, for folk who are less abled, so I would expect most of the big hitters are able to accommodate this requirement / request.

Ok. The auto bleed function on a pump is usually just it pulsing / stop-starting to ‘bump’ air around and out of the water circuit. To clarify, an automatic air vent is a piece of equipment that’s installed at the highest point of each circuit, which allows air to be released in your absence. Air comes out, and they they do a little ‘spit’ and then no more water comes out. When you auto-bled the pump, what exactly did you do?

To be accurately providing information, we’d really need to see detailed section drawings (or a really shit sketch on the back of an envelope) to say for sure. Whats the cavity insulation like?

This says single component failure then, not a build up of air stopping the show. One sensible ‘upgrade’ would be to have a manual air vent (thumb turn type) to vent the pipework atop the boiler, but I honestly doubt there’s a lifelong issue there if it’s run fine for a decade, plus then another 2 years after the rad swap.

In that case, up at that height, you can happily consider the steel and wood to be equalised for temp etc, imho, as they’re well with the heated and airtight envelope.

So many architects haven’t got a scooby-doo about these things. Even the SE’s tame associated, clueless. Constantly sense checking with Obi-Wan back at HQ, and just no confidence in anything he was looking at. Client rang me on speakerphone whilst the chap was on site, so I got to speak to him about the steelwork I spec’d and Obi-Wan had agreed over the phone; we made some slight changes, but beefed up certain elements to (over) compensate, and he was head-melted. After a lot of gibberish and flannel I just got a bit annoyed and said to go back to the office and just pass the bloody thing ffs. Myself 30+ years on the tools, and the steel fabricator & welder 35+ years, so I just said we’ve done more than a few of these over the years…..! Obi-Wan saw the adaptations, and signed it off without further comment. We put Bosig Phonotherm under the feet of the steels, where they sat on padstones, very nice product to work with and cuts / drills like a very dense particle board. Router / planer zoomed through it where I made profiles and recesses in it for the Norrsken doors and sliders etc. Blasted it with liquid DPC all around before then screwing it all into place and then blasting it with more. Available in sensible sizes too, unlike Compacfoam.

For floors at ground floor level, or for first floor joists?

“15 all……” 🤣

‘ckin hell…… ”Shots fired!!!!!!!!” 💣 💥 Lol. I thought it was only me that didn’t get their full 8 hours in last night

Most boilers have a drains off point at the underside of the boiler. Not all, but the majority. You can connect a hose to this, poke the other end down a drain, and open the drain off to pull water and air down / through / out of the hose. You do this with the system on and running btw. Can you have a look for a drain on the boiler? Dont mistakenly open the combustion chamber looking for it though(!) just look under it or take the white metal case off at most. If you don’t see it then, you don’t have one.

Panasonic uses the wall mounted controller for internal info. How the feck will yours know what's going on indoors if you don't have one? Other than the difference between flow and return, which would be cruder than a semi-sober welsh plumber.

WC will still prevail. Currently the rads are strangled. One step ahead, my man.........

Have we proven that L is getting there?

I'm not, the OP didn't say there was an issue there

Try again, lol.