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Folks, I have very strong feelings about this forum being allowed to be used by commercial entities, and this thread exemplifies why I think that forum policy regarding commercial use needs to be tightened. It's inevitable when we get competing commercial interests, in the same sector, as in this case, that they will end up being critical of each other in order to try and gain some sort of commercial advantage. The fact that it may well tend to make many of the potential customers of this non-commercial, member owned and run, forum, think again about using any commercial entities that misuse this forum is a point that seems to be lost. As one of the founder members that invested time and money in setting up this non-commercial forum, I think it's time that we gave a reminder to all who use it that it is NOT a place for commercial entities to promote their wares or raise their own profile. This forum was founded by a group of fourteen volunteers, who invested their own money and time to set it up and who, with the generosity of other members, pay the costs of hosting it. Will our members that are in business related to self build and renovation please take note of this, and that people like me are paying to give them a vehicle to promote themselves on here, something I find abhorrent.

Unfortunately my day job took me to the scene today - saw the community coming together, the damage caused and had the unenviable task of talking to the survivors. Truly harrowing experiences - Home in the bosom of my family and cradling a large glass of Red. 30 years of dealing with death and destruction on a daily basis, and still the bar gets higher!! Appreciate those around you tonight and spare a thought for those sleeping in the various churches and sports centres. Goodnight PW.

My two bobs worth is simply this...it takes more brain power to construct a cutting post with clever barbs or a subtle poke than it does to just ask a polite inquiring question to bring more attention to a topic. Lists and multi reply stuff doesnt help... Take it easy folks and keep it clean.

I bought this set - [HD 1080P] ANNKE 4CH 1080P POE NVR Max Up to 5.0MP Security Camera Systems One 1TB HDD Included, with 4 x 1080P 2.1Megapixels HD Day/Night Vision IP67 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01H2RD9QU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_BTB3bXqxkWep2 Quite impressed so far but haven't really got in to the deeper settings to see what it can really do. After just 24 hours I had caught all sorts - the neighbour having a good snoop and pinching a empty dumpy bag, 2 little scallywags having a wander around, and 2 of my wife's friends flashing the cameras as they didn't think they were live hahaha

They are not too bad - set to 25FPS for viewing unless I want to put them into realtime which gives me 50FPS. One set is on the end of a 3.5mbs broadband link and they are not that bad at all for lag - I think this is due to using a cloud provider for the streaming. The others sit sit on a 3G enabled router and are ok as long as you don't pull all of them up at once ..!

The construction industry could learn *a lot* from the aeronautics industries.

Thanks Jack.

@Monty Gerhardy Sorry I don't know you, I don't know your profession but you are obviously in the window industry. You come across as a very arrogant and rude man and I have no time for that, I may be wrong and I hope I'am. However, you are bringing this way off topic and in my view personal and I would kindly ask you to refrain from doing so. I'm also not going to get into any argument but your attack is not welcome.