Ferdinand Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 12 hours ago, pocster said: What happened to @Onoff helical hydraulic sex toy shower head ? . Can’t we have photos of that ??? Didn’t that get screwed up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 New photos that hopefully help ! @PeterW that timer was an issue ( builder told me this ) has seen been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, JSHarris said: anyone got a copy of the 18th who can shed some light on the exact wording, please? Email sent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, JSHarris said: Bit of a bugger as I've recently wired the whole of my workshop with plastic conduit. It's legal as it's only along the walls and was done under the 17th, but would need to be in metal from next year on, it seems. Can't say that I have a problem with that; I'd have used metal if I still had conduit die and bending sets to thread the ends and bend conduit (lent them to someone who never gave it back, years ago).. Serious question ... what temperature are these tested to? I ask because the rubber multisize saucepan lids I have claim they are OK at 260 C, ditto the plastic fish slice etc. Obvs it will be a combination of load and temperature that they can endure, but it will be one hell of a disruption to the manufacturers. Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: Serious question ... what temperature are these tested to? I ask because the rubber multisize saucepan lids I have claim they are OK at 260 C, ditto the plastic fish slice etc. Obvs it will be a combination of load and temperature that they can endure, but it will be one hell of a disruption to the manufacturers. Ferdinand No idea, but plastic trunking and conduit is either PVC or ABS, and PVC softens at about 80 deg C, ABS a bit over 100 deg C, and as far as the regs are concerned, the intention is to eliminate droop from softening under heat, I believe, for the reasons given for making the change for some locations in the 17th Amnd. 3, which was as @Onoff mentioned, a nest of tangled fallen cables impeding fire crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Anybody want to buy a few thousand plastic cable clips?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, pocster said: New photos that hopefully help ! @PeterW that timer was an issue ( builder told me this ) has seen been removed @Nickfromwales hasn’t shot me down yet . My trainee tea maker / uvc installer done good ....... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Davies Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, JSHarris said: Clipped direct is OK in a location that's protected, like that cupboard. Thanks. Obviously “protected” has a wider meaning than I thought (which was that a tool was needed for access, like with the bonding rules). Do lofts count? I was assuming I'd have to trunk all the wiring for my RE stuff in the loft. Wouldn't mind too much with plastic trunking but doing it in metal would be a pain. Would metal cable trays there be suitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 @pocster So now we have two isolator feeding a single 20A junction box and a timer doing nothing ..?? Has he wired the two immersion’s from the single box ...?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, Ed Davies said: Thanks. Obviously “protected” has a wider meaning than I thought (which was that a tool was needed for access, like with the bonding rules). Do lofts count? I was assuming I'd have to trunk all the wiring for my RE stuff in the loft. Wouldn't mind too much with plastic trunking but doing it in metal would be a pain. Would metal cable trays there be suitable? It goes back a long way to when almost all house wiring was clipped direct to walls, often painted or even papered over. Gradually things changed to bury cables in walls, which then created another set of regs on how deep they needed to be to be protected (the argument being that if you can't see a cable then it's more likely to get drilled through). Safe zones were developed for buried cable runs so that we all know (!) where to expect to find cables buried in walls, too. The only other guidance on where you run cables on the surface is really to do with cable protection from mechanical and heat damage and there's no clearly defined rule as such (AFAIK, there may be something in the 18th I've not seen yet). It's largely a judgement call by the installer as to whether a cable is OK to run on a surface, bearing in mind things like cable max operating temperature, the possibility of something knocking into the cable, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just because it's all in a cupboard behind a door doesn't mean a lot in the context of these new regs. It's a blanket thing that wiring systems now be supported such that it'll not be subject to the support system collapsing in the event of fire. If then there's a chance of a fire starting in the airing cupboard it's an issue. Trouble is where does it stop? Fire in the loft causes the joists the cables are clipped to to collapse and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, Onoff said: Trouble is where does it stop? Fire in the loft causes the joists the cables are clipped to to collapse and so on. I can see why the regs changed, though. The fire service campaigned for it, and BRE recommended the change to fire resistant metal cable fixings back in 2015: Fire-Performance-of-Cable-Installations-Aug-2015.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Alexphd1 said: Anybody want to buy a few thousand plastic cable clips?? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, PeterW said: @pocster So now we have two isolator feeding a single 20A junction box and a timer doing nothing ..?? Has he wired the two immersion’s from the single box ...?? As you like to tell me, “keep up”. The other cable looks like it goes around the back of the JB Pen.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, pocster said: @Nickfromwales hasn’t shot me down yet . My trainee tea maker / uvc installer done good ....... ? Looks to be in order. Just need to know where the expansion vessel connects and then we may stop ripping the shit out of this. “May”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Nickfromwales said: Looks to be in order. Just need to know where the expansion vessel connects and then we may stop ripping the shit out of this. “May”. Does it not show that in the photo?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Not in detail. Just follow the pipe and see where it connects obi wan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, JSHarris said: I can see why the regs changed, though. The fire service campaigned for it, and BRE recommended the change to fire resistant metal cable fixings back in 2015: Fire-Performance-of-Cable-Installations-Aug-2015.pdf A couple of firefighters died in a high rise if I remember correctly. They would have got out but the suspended ceiling collapsed and the cables got trapped between their cylinder and harness on the breathing apparatus set. As a result of that all Fire Services in the UK had to have a strap fitted that connected the harness to the top of the cylinder and thus prevented a cable becoming lodged between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 Fecking laugh a minute here ffs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: As you like to tell me, “keep up”. The other cable looks like it goes around the back of the JB Pen.......... ....cil...?? Not sure it does though ..! @pocster photo straight on of the brown circular thing and see where the wires go .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, PeterW said: @pocster photo straight on of the brown circular thing A risky request... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: A risky request... Yep . A few photos came too mind .... But I thought surely not for buildhub ..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr Punter said: A risky request... ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, pocster said: Yep . A few photos came too mind .... But I thought surely not for buildhub ..... ? Buildhub ‘after hours’ sub-forum for self confessed gutter-monkeys ? Count me in ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Tundish output etc all fixed apparently. I shall inspect tomorrow! . Not connected into boiler PRV - so a seperate run out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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