epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Can someone suggest the right trade lingo when phoning up a business to get a quote for the supply of foundation concrete? By "right trade lingo" I mean language that will lead to the best price. Edit: Looking to trenchfill 70m linear meters of 600m wide trench that is 1m deep, so for quotation purposes I make that 40 m3. Edited June 5, 2018 by epsilonGreedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Hello sir can I get 42m3 of c25 concrete delivered at 8:30am on Monday morning. Always order extra. If they have to send out a lorry with just 1m3 on it you will pay for that big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 You will normally ask for GEN1 concrete for foundations. S3 is the default slump. You will normally reserve a bit extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Alow mate, got a new billed apenin in a cuppla weeks gunna need a good few cube, bout 40 I rekon then the floor screed, yer loads to do what’s ya best on that, Cubs I asked that uver mob darn the road like and they sed 75 squid a cube what ya rekon fella. This his works best sarf of Watford. Not sure how well it would go down in sunny Yorkshire. Edited June 5, 2018 by Russell griffiths 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Have been looking at concrete lorry load capacity which is about 6 m3. Would I get 1 lorry per hour arriving on site through the day? I reckon 2 to 3 loads for the garage and the rest (4 to 5) for the house. Edited June 5, 2018 by epsilonGreedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 It doesn't pay to sound professional, the price is the same unless you are a house builder. Make sure you explain you don't know exactly how much you need and you want 6 full loads "PLUS" that means you get to choose how much you put inthe final mixer when it comes. You may need more or less than anticipated. You get 20 mins to unload the concrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 How are you getting it from the chute to the founds, digger bucket, dumper, pump or poured straight in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, Declan52 said: Always order extra. If they have to send out a lorry with just 1m3 on it you will pay for that big time. What do they do with the surplus? Presumably it will be well on the way to curing by the time the lorry returns to base with the unused portion of the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Hello mate , Can I have some of your absurdly expensive concrete delivered to my delayed self build . Best price mate . never works ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Ok couple of things. If you are going to order extra, try to have another job where you can use it. Small slab for mvhr to sit on path down to shed path between vegi beds if they take it away they will charge you more for disposal than it cost to supply. Post up a pic of your site and we can tell you how you are getting it in the trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Do not underestimate the size and weight of the concrete truck. If you have a concrete drive to come up it WILL break it, if the ground is wet it WILL sink you need a solid roadway up to you site. Or you WILL-make a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: Do not underestimate the size and weight of the concrete truck. If you have a concrete drive to come up it WILL break it, if the ground is wet it WILL sink you need a solid roadway up to you site. Or you WILL-make a mess Or get a nice long armed pump ! Makes the job easier and truck can be a mile away ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Declan52 said: How are you getting it from the chute to the founds, digger bucket, dumper, pump or poured straight in?? I have been considering this. There is a well compacted internal site road that has taken heavy deliveries in worse weather. The concrete lorry can get within 8 meters of the nearest house foundations while remaining on that site road and the far corner of the house is 10 meters further away. A bit of Google indicates a standard delivery chute has a 3m max reach. The green field site is now solid with a firm grass surface at the moment even so I doubt a 25 ton loaded lorry will venture onto that. There is time to lay the hardcore for the 15m long term drive into the plot. The pour team will be a scratch team, so I guess this all points to a pump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said: Post up a pic of your site and we can tell you how you are getting it in the trenches. Thanks for this offer, give me 20 minutes to upload something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 If your thinking of a pump, just do it best money you will spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Here is the site layout. The site road is actually half the width compared to my hand drawn attempt. Each square is 1m. The site is level and the lorry could leave the site road at any point subject to ground condition. The shaded finger along the left side of the plot is the future drive which could be laid to hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said: Can someone suggest the right trade lingo when phoning up a business to get a quote for the supply of foundation concrete? By "right trade lingo" I mean language that will lead to the best price. Edit: Looking to trenchfill 70m linear meters of 600m wide trench that is 1m deep, so for quotation purposes I make that 40 m3. Go in with all your calls written on the back of a fag packet and they’ll think your a real pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Pump all the way ..... Get a price from a pump company to supply both pump and concrete and it becomes zero rated for VAT. That could save you quite a chunk on VAT reclaim. Pump grade is very different stuff though - 10mm aggregate and needs to be perfect consistency. You also need a couple of bags of cement to prime the pump and somewhere to wash out the pump which could have up to 1/2cube left in it depending on the machine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, PeterW said: Pump all the way ..... Thank you for taking time to assess this. Was your clear advice influenced mostly by the unprepared ground/distance from the site road or lack of a heavyweight ground worker crew? 1 hour ago, PeterW said: Get a price from a pump company to supply both pump and concrete and it becomes zero rated for VAT. That could save you quite a chunk on VAT reclaim. Ok. Would a direct concrete only supply be subject to VAT as it is just a material, if so that is quite a large chunk of VAT saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, epsilonGreedy said: Thank you for taking time to assess this. Was your clear advice influenced mostly by the unprepared ground/distance from the site road or lack of a heavyweight ground worker crew? Ok. Would a direct concrete only supply be subject to VAT as it is just a material, if so that is quite a large chunk of VAT saved. Bit of both on the first one - you need a decent crew on a pump, and I would leave it to someone else to have the nightmares ! The other big plus is that if the pump and concrete are one supply, its up to them to co-ordinate and decide how much is needed etc. If you can get to a pour point near the trenches then use a self compacting and flowing concrete and save the £4-500 for the pump but you may find its not that easy. Direct supply would be VAT rated and 40 cuM is going to be £4k or thereabouts plus the 20% VAT depending on location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 13 hours ago, epsilonGreedy said: Can someone suggest the right trade lingo [...] You can't . You need to know the people involved. Here Be Dragons. Lots of them. Get a contractor you can trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 16 hours ago, recoveringacademic said: You can't . You need to know the people involved. Here Be Dragons. Lots of them. Get a contractor you can trust. I was rumbled within seconds, even so the outcome was good with a pleasant price for the pump-able stuff and plenty of advice. The supplier will assign two wagons to my site on the day and these will run in a shuttle (about 8 miles each way) to feed the pump, should be all done within 4 hours. Last night while reading the House Builder's Bible again I noted that trench fill is typically left 150mm below ground level so I was able to shave 15% off my cubic estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Born of my experience talking to roofers yesterday with phones that sound like the summit of Snowdon in a windstorm, you could try: Make gurgling noises into phone. ”Hello, I’m in a drain” or In Truth, I’m on a Roof It perhaps more about sounding credible and not-a-plonker or timewaster, and being willing to spend the t8me making it easier for them. That is if it is a decent supplier. And as you say it went OK - good stuff. F Edited June 7, 2018 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Make sure you create a pit for waste concrete. A shallow trench, a few pegs and four boards will do. Get the driver to flush the concrete into the pit; hey presto, a level, firm work surface - almost free of charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Make sure you create a pit for waste concrete. A shallow trench, a few pegs and four boards will do. Get the driver to flush the concrete into the pit; hey presto, a level, firm work surface - almost free of charge. Or a shed base, or dustbin spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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