Ed_MK Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Hi all as you MAY know my house is on a very "funny" bit of land and the gaps at the corners are a little (ahem) tight I need to connect to services water, elec. gas (and telecom?) I am connecting via a service trench on our parents land to the road at the front (we are on land behind them) The total length is about 40m (to the kerb at their side the meter boxes are at the opposite side of our house..so that accounts for a bit of the above 1. with the above utilities (once i get the relevant meter boxes in) can i a) just run the correct service pipe ...yellow blue or black down the existing trench to the border 40m away ? b) as it has to go essentially AROUND the house (as I am presuming it can't run through the foundation) what are their rules on turns and bends? gas worries me a bit to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 If it were me I’d want all the services run around the outside of the house, especially the gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 You need to observe their specifications for depth and separation. Water and gas can be in the same trench about 300mm apart, but most ive seen are just in there together. You need to lay them in dust / fines / 6mm gravel etc and have the correct identification tape above. Bending radius is basically just where you feel the pipe starting to fight you. Have a T and an upstand at a location for an outside tap, saves drilling through the house later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I would try REALLY hard to make them enter the house at the closest point rather than go all the way round. It can be a lot simpler if you do what many of us have, and put the electricity meter box on the boundary as a permanent feature, then it is your cable from the meter box to the house. Can you do the same with gas? I have never seen anyone do that? Water just to a toby (underground stopcock) and a standpipe close to the boundary. Lay the pipe to the house later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Triassic said: If it were me I’d want all the services run around the outside of the house, especially the gas. 9 minutes ago, ProDave said: I would try REALLY hard to make them enter the house at the closest point rather than go all the way round. I asked a related question the other month about a foul drain from my main bathroom taking a short cut through the foundation plan of the house v. round the outside wall. This translated into one 9m drain through the foundations v. 10m + 45 degree turn + 5m + 90 degree turn + 9m around the house. At the time I received a clear vote in favour of straight through the house foundation plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Do it what ever way out suits you. If it's going around the house then just make sure they are all separated Covered and marked as service guides dictate and if they are going through the founds then they are in the correct ducting. Make sure you check and re check the position the ducts are in and then check again. Edited May 2, 2018 by Declan52 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epsilonGreedy Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Declan52 said: if they are going through the founds then they are in the correct ducting. Make sure you check and re check the position the ducts are in and then check again. There are days when I think an old fashioned external soil pipe up to the first floor would be the most simple and serviceable. The conservation officer wants my house to look 200 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, epsilonGreedy said: There are days when I think an old fashioned external soil pipe up to the first floor would be the most simple and serviceable. The conservation officer wants my house to look 200 years old. Would Def be the most simple option but looks wise it's a no for me. Just use a tape measure and check and re check esp if it's for a toliet as there won't be much movement once it's buried in concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, epsilonGreedy said: There are days when I think an old fashioned external soil pipe up to the first floor would be the most simple and serviceable. The conservation officer wants my house to look 200 years old. A soil pipe up the outside wall would make it look 70 years old 200 years ago they just stuck their arse out the window didn't they ? "Bombs awayyyyy!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickie Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Can you do a soil stack in cast iron? If so,that would surely tick the conservation officer’s box (no pun intended-leave it @Nickfromwales!) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 If things like electric have to go around the house (lots of tight bends) I would try and put the cable in the duct before it's buried. It's what I did for our shed. Not sure if the utility companies will allow that though. Otherwise I wonder if you can put a manhole at bends so the cable pulls can be done in sections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvincentd Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 12 hours ago, ProDave said: Can you do the same with gas? I have never seen anyone do that? Yes, i've done it with both gas and elec. One note...having nicely prepped a boundary wall with 2 recesses for gas and elec' meter boxes, i then discover i'm not allowed to put anything else in the elec' meter box (this has been discussed here before) but also must have a switched fuse between meter and house due to distance (I THINK thats a requirement after 5 metres). So i had to wedge a 3rd box alongside for that switched fuse and double socket for builders supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I put two meter boxes in. "Theirs" and "mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) its tricky as the main waste (due to all the bathrooms and kitchen, etc is on the FAR side. the utility room is ALSO on the far side ....home to our leccy meter and gas meter. so its a good 15m around he house to the border, and another 30m tot he road where ALL the services are. Best explained by this piccie My idea was to dig a trench with enough fall for the sewer, then get that and the water in at about -750mm, then backfill a bit and then put in Gas, elec ...and some sort of "ducting" at 450mm so I could pass a telecom line through .....later it would be a BUSY hole ...but does that matter ? ..I was going to cap abpve the pipes with some protection in case of anyone digging years later ..still deciding what with Edited May 3, 2018 by Ed_MK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Contact Open Reach. They should free issue you with the GREY duct you need for telephone. If the services pass that close to the back of the house, forget any notion of running them across your site before the foundations are in. Just get them up to your site boundary for now and put them across the back of the house once the foundations are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Is it OK for the lekky meter box to be there? Round these parts it has to be front wall or no more than 2m round the side, UNLESS the supply is already at the rear of the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_MK Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Well technically the meters are at the side of the house .... Just in the drive and then around the left hand corner ....they will be close to the corner too as thats where the boiler and other stuff is ... its hard to be too much closer ....even if they were on the front ...they still have 10m of driveway to cross and before that a 8m run in from the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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