What next for heat pumps after BUS and MCS?

[MikeSharp01]

6 hours ago, gravelld said:

Persimmon guy who employs thousands and donates to The Party

Not the current party they don't - might be a window there but perhaps not. The trouble is if we all stay quiet then for sure nothing happens and you should never underestimate a bunch of committed individuals should you.

[Mike]

15 hours ago, North80 said:

[in France] They install a lot of air-to-air heat pumps and hardly any air-to-water ones.

About 28% air-to-water last time I looked (175,000 air-to-water in 2019, up from 90,000 the year before) - https://mcsfoundation.org.uk/news/new-report-france-cuts-heating-emissions-ten-times-faster-than-uk-with-heat-pump-roll-out/

 

That may well have changed since gas boiler were banned for new build 3 years ago.

Edited January 11 by Mike

[gravelld]

1 hour ago, MikeSharp01 said:

Not the current party they don't - might be a window there but perhaps not. The trouble is if we all stay quiet then for sure nothing happens and you should never underestimate a bunch of committed individuals should you.

I meant that as a specific example - it might have affected the previous administration. The current one might be affected by unions, for example.

 

Don't want to sound like a downer, just repeating what I've observed. I'd like to think you're right.

[Roger440]

On 11/01/2025 at 15:58, MikeSharp01 said:

Not the current party they don't - might be a window there but perhaps not. The trouble is if we all stay quiet then for sure nothing happens and you should never underestimate a bunch of committed individuals should you.

 

Id not make that assumption.

 

The new crowd are just as bad as the old crowd. Companies will lobby whoever is in power, that may or may not include donations or other incentives.

 

Either way, what gravelld says is essentially correct. There no room for facts. Only money

[Roger440]

For all the suggestions, it still comes back to the fact that our electricity costs are way to high. Unlike most of europe, or the USA.

 

Its always going to be an uphill struggle to convert users to a more expensive energy source.

 

We all know the main reason why, ie the pegged price. But that isnt going to change. Primarily related to reasons in my post above. Money.

 

Being in wales, when my income drops far enough, i can sign up to the scheme for £45k of work to insulate and install ASHP all at the taxpayers expense. Its more cost effective to cease work, and cease paying tax, which is precisely what i will do. Its a mad world. Im sure england will follow with some similar madcap idea. My best advice is wait it out until it gets more generous. As it must.

[saveasteading]

5 minutes ago, Roger440 said:

electricity costs are way to high. Unlike most of europe, or the USA.

Not exactly  so.

[Roger440]

14 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

Not exactly  so.

 

Interesting. 10 mins on google gives you so many different versions including those that show us at the top. Seems quoting a cost per kWh is complicated?

 

Never mind, doesnt change the fact its too expensive, and its expense prevents switching to it. That point still stands. And it "could" be cheaper, but isnt. By government choice.

 

 

[Omnibuswoman]

On 11/01/2025 at 15:58, MikeSharp01 said:

Not the current party they don't - might be a window there but perhaps not.

I remember the last time this lot were in, and the Future Homes standard was put into legislation, raising air tightness and insulation standards for new houses, with a 7 year lead-in time for the house building industry to adapt. Due to commence in 2015, Cameron’s govt scrapped it just before it was due to start. Presumably due to some effective lobbying from

men in sharp suits on behalf of the house building industry… imagine - 10 years of houses built to a standard of efficiency that would be instantly suitable for heat pump based heating.
 

What a political disgrace that we are a decade down the line, and no further forward. 

[MikeSharp01]

Bring in the future homes standard immediately, allow the house builders to avoid doing it and quadruple the CIL levy if they do. The problem with be that house building will slow up as they can no long just throw them up so that impacts the completion targets - these feedback loops are a pain.

[Mike]

4 hours ago, Omnibuswoman said:

I remember the last time this lot were in, and the Future Homes standard was put into legislation, raising air tightness and insulation standards for new houses, with a 7 year lead-in time for the house building industry to adapt

In 2006 I was involved in a couple of very interesting cross-industry events on the Blair Government's proposals for Zero Carbon Housing; the Pre-Budget Report that year announced their ‘ambition’ that all new homes should be zero carbon within a decade. The announcement was a big surprise, but it gathered quite a lot of momentum and seemed possible that it might actually get adopted as policy.

 

Difficult to believe that was almost 20 years ago and that so little progress had been made.