Marvin Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 As has been in the press: From the 15th June 2022, new homes and buildings in England will be required to have EV charging points fitted. BUT now more: From December 30, 2022, new laws will be introduced to help electric car drivers charge their vehicles at home. The latest Schedule 1: Security compliance regulations are being applied at the end of the year, following on from the Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations that came into force in June 2022. It will seek to ensure that any charge point should provide appropriate protection to the electricity system, the relevant charge point and the personal data of the owner. The EV charger must have smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information and the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point. The charge point must have a unique passport and is not set by owner, in a bid to protect people’s personal information. New charge points will be pre-configured to avoid charging during peak hours, between 8am and 11am and between 4pm and 10pm on weekdays. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1706612/electric-car-home-chargers-new-laws-december-2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) What is to stop people connecting a secondary charging point that does not have the controls/spyware fitted? Something like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/QUBEV-CHARGING-UNIT-TYPE-SOCKET/dp/B07WV579VB Edited December 15, 2022 by SteamyTea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Or just changing it for the non spyware version after completion sign off? Just more hops for a builder to jump through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, ProDave said: Just more hops for a builder to jump through. I think it is a pretty good idea really. Not the kind of thing that would be taken up voluntarily. So like better insulation and condensing boilers, legislation is needed or it will not happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 Ours is governed by our PV generation but overridable if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 When I here about E charging laws I wonder what will happen to all those that live in Terrace homes Will they simply run a lead across the pavement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, nod said: When I here about E charging laws I wonder what will happen to all those that live in Terrace homes Will they simply run a lead across the pavement The sensible thing to do is designated parking. When I lived in an old terraced street, neighbours used to complain about parking. The most vocal had 5 vehicles, 2 were vans. Houses were 4 metres wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Marvin said: As has been in the press: From the 15th June 2022, new homes and buildings in England will be required to have EV charging points fitted. BUT now more: From December 30, 2022, new laws will be introduced to help electric car drivers charge their vehicles at home. The latest Schedule 1: Security compliance regulations are being applied at the end of the year, following on from the Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations that came into force in June 2022. It will seek to ensure that any charge point should provide appropriate protection to the electricity system, the relevant charge point and the personal data of the owner. The EV charger must have smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information and the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point. The charge point must have a unique passport and is not set by owner, in a bid to protect people’s personal information. New charge points will be pre-configured to avoid charging during peak hours, between 8am and 11am and between 4pm and 10pm on weekdays. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1706612/electric-car-home-chargers-new-laws-december-2022 Just make one. All an EV charger is, is a contactor and some electronic circuitry to switch it on/off. You can buy an EV charge control protocol module which takes the DC signal from the vehicle and switches the contactor on to start/end charging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 We voluntarily fitted charge points in a terrace of 7 new houses. We used the bollard type 1 per house, each with 2 sockets. When we were fitting them some passers by commented that planning must have made us fit them. I just thought it made sense to fit them at the outset so that if a householder wants an EV there is no issue with installing and siting a charge point. So far only 2 get regular use. They are not spyware enabled, just Rolec Basiccharge pedestals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Carrerahill said: Just make one. All an EV charger is, is a contactor and some electronic circuitry to switch it on/off. You can buy an EV charge control protocol module which takes the DC signal from the vehicle and switches the contactor on to start/end charging. Except the silly way we do things it would not surprise me if we mandated it has to be a type approved charger installed by some member of a special club who has been on the right course and will cost you ££££ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, Carrerahill said: Just make one. All an EV charger is, is a contactor and some electronic circuitry to switch it on/off. You can buy an EV charge control protocol module which takes the DC signal from the vehicle and switches the contactor on to start/end charging. Or just turn off the settings to disable the smart/timed functionality. The legislation is saying the equipment installed must support these features, not that you're law bound to use them. Just like a heating system must support a timer and zone thermostats. You're under no obligation to use them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, ProDave said: Except the silly way we do things it would not surprise me if we mandated it has to be a type approved charger installed by some member of a special club who has been on the right course and will cost you ££££ I'm honestly surprised there isn't a silly EV charger installer club already. Vast government subsidies and risk of death, it ticks all the boxes for some new paperwork generation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ProDave said: Except the silly way we do things it would not surprise me if we mandated it has to be a type approved charger installed by some member of a special club who has been on the right course and will cost you ££££ True, but there is a silly club for PV stuff and I have not followed any of that either. I am not anti-establishment, but very anti-pointless-moneymaking-scam-club. If, it served to ensure these guys were good, professional, safe, etc. and had true meaning, I wouldn't have an issue, but if you use them to complain about an installer, nothing happens. Edited December 15, 2022 by Carrerahill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, joth said: I'm honestly surprised there isn't a silly EV charger installer club already. Vast government subsidies and risk of death, it ticks all the boxes for some new paperwork generation. It will come. Someone will deem themselves an expert and form a club and get all the homeowners fearful if they don't use a "club" approved installer - of course, club approved just means paid up member. All a money making scam - which is partly why I treat most of these club like approval organisations with complete contempt. When I first worked in consultancy I had all my paid up professional memberships - then I decided not to pay any of them and see what happened - nothing happened, I just saved about £389 a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Carrerahill said: When I first worked in consultancy I had all my paid up professional memberships - then I decided not to pay any of them and see what happened - nothing happened, I just saved about £389 a year. Shall we let the striking NHS not pay the insurance cover and let anyone be a staff member. I think the real problem is that when these bodies are set up, usually with the best intention, the wrong people are asked how it should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) I’m going to form an EV club . You can all get to use my charger at any time at the fixed rate of 60p a kw. As well as that generous offer you also get to look at my hole . I mean hole in the ground … Edited December 15, 2022 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 5 hours ago, pocster said: You can all get to use my charger at any time at the fixed rate of 60p a kw. As well as that generous offer you also get to look at my hole . For how long can we look at your hole. kWh you (expletive deleted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 12 hours ago, nod said: When I here about E charging laws I wonder what will happen to all those that live in Terrace homes Will they simply run a lead across the pavement They will have to use public transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 13 hours ago, Marvin said: As has been in the press: From the 15th June 2022, new homes and buildings in England will be required to have EV charging points fitted. BUT now more: From December 30, 2022, new laws will be introduced to help electric car drivers charge their vehicles at home. The latest Schedule 1: Security compliance regulations are being applied at the end of the year, following on from the Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations that came into force in June 2022. It will seek to ensure that any charge point should provide appropriate protection to the electricity system, the relevant charge point and the personal data of the owner. The EV charger must have smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information and the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point. The charge point must have a unique passport and is not set by owner, in a bid to protect people’s personal information. New charge points will be pre-configured to avoid charging during peak hours, between 8am and 11am and between 4pm and 10pm on weekdays. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1706612/electric-car-home-chargers-new-laws-december-2022 All rather predicatable. Indeed, was predicted by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 11 hours ago, joth said: Or just turn off the settings to disable the smart/timed functionality. The legislation is saying the equipment installed must support these features, not that you're law bound to use them. Just like a heating system must support a timer and zone thermostats. You're under no obligation to use them. How will you do that is its password protected and you dont know what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, Roger440 said: How will you do that is its password protected and you dont know what it is? By pressing the factory reset button. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger440 said: They will have to use public transport. Get rid of there smelly fossil fuel vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger440 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 12 hours ago, joth said: By pressing the factory reset button. Cant believe that will be allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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