ProDave Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 This listed cottage sold for £50K at auction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63410107 It was a collapsed wreck, the council were spending £1400 per month to keep it covered in scaffold and plastic sheet. What a complete waste of time and money. It sold for a low price because it is listed and the buyer will now have to rebuild it with all that entails. Am i the only one that things it would have been far better to de list it, and grant outline planning for a replacement dwelling? It would have sold for more and been a far better prospect without the burden of having to restore a crumbling wreck back to how it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, ProDave said: Am i the only one that things it would have been far better to de list it, Too right, far to many listed buildings and I fir one would not touch a Listed building with a barge pole, yes keep a few examples. Then again everyone here knows what I think of bloody planners 🤯 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDC Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Presumably the new owner will try to have it de-listed. Brighton didn't go to such lengths with the West Pier. I wonder if the scaffolder is a Councillor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Listed buildings and conservation areas are for the most part like forcing someone to drive a classic car. Terribly inefficient and unsuited to modern life. They look lovely but that's not much use the occupants who often unable to rise to 19th century living standards not to mind 21st. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spreadsheetman Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Lol. Listed buildings and conservation areas are one of my hobby horses. It’s yet another example of how backward-looking this country can be. I’d keep the very best, de-list the rest and make it easier to demolish and replace with sympathetically designed efficient modern buildings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Spreadsheetman said: I’d keep the very best Like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I don't agree, having refurbished 2 listed buildings for ourselves. One a mix of 1600s and 1880. The other 1920s as wrongly categorised as by famous architect. It is right that they are protected. Planners were fine about sympathetic changes and additions. In both cases the buildings are admired and part of the 'street scene'. Both were discounted at the price by builders for the commercial reasons above. So the price reflected the work required it was affordable to us, and I have the knowledge. To build and resell quickly would have required much more cost but for own use these things are done in stages. Agreed, the insulation can never be to modern standards. But these are still admired and valued buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/furious-mum-faces-20000-fine-28346851 Enforcement issued for painting door of listed building bright pink.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Temp said: Enforcement issued for painting door of listed building bright pink I have the same issues on my 1987 house, it has to be brown. Mine is blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 18:49, ProDave said: This listed cottage sold for £50K at auction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-63410107 It was a collapsed wreck, the council were spending £1400 per month to keep it covered in scaffold and plastic sheet. What a complete waste of time and money. It sold for a low price because it is listed and the buyer will now have to rebuild it with all that entails. Am i the only one that things it would have been far better to de list it, and grant outline planning for a replacement dwelling? It would have sold for more and been a far better prospect without the burden of having to restore a crumbling wreck back to how it was? Classic example of modern planning laws protecting a property built when no planning laws were needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spreadsheetman Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: Classic example of modern planning laws protecting a property built when no planning laws were needed. Yes, exactly - de-list and flatten is the only thing that makes any kind of sense for wrecks like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twice round the block Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 It's not surprising that so many listed buildings especially old industrial buildings are so prone to arson attacks. 🤔 For the owner they are an insurance nightmare and for the developer they are a bottomless money pit, made worse by local authority planning departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 23:49, Temp said: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/furious-mum-faces-20000-fine-28346851 Enforcement issued for painting door of listed building bright pink.. Back of the envelope cals suggest this 3m2 door alone loses more heat than all 200m2 of our roof and floor combined. People have no idea how wasteful old houses are. Talk about fiddling whilst Rome burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Iceverge said: Talk about fiddling whilst Rome burns. Two different things. If you know this area of Edinburgh, these are classic Georgian buildings, relying on symmetry. She has had her moment of fame and can now repaint appropriately, as she could have done when first instructed. Then can add draightstrip etc. Prob has an inner lobby anyway. Actually, 600 masonry then lath and plaster won't be that bad for heat loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 It depends on what you consider "that bad" It's 12 times worse than our house's wall. Its like me swapping my 55mpg Skoda Octavia for a 4.6mpg family car, if such a thing even exists. Even a 1600hp Bugatti Chiron manages double that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Iceverge said: depends on what you consider "that bad" Yes, but these are not about to be knocked down. And they are very big, terraced buildings, so the external walls are a small proportion. But pink paint doesn't help, so perhaps I sm missing your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Sorry, I'm being too oblique with my point. A government body worried about the colour of a door ( which isn't even distasteful IMO) whilst ignoring (at best) the horrible inefficiency during an energy crunch in a heating planet is perverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Iceverge said: A government body worried about the colour of a door ( which isn't even distasteful IMO) whilst ignoring (at best) the horrible inefficiency during an energy crunch in a heating planet is perverse. No government body dare talk about the elephant in the room. just what do do about all the lousy leaky houses in the UK, how to upgrade or replace them, and who will pay? Easier to bang on about wrong door colour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Iceverge said: A government body worried about the colour of a door ( which isn't even distasteful IMO) whilst ignoring (at best) the horrible inefficiency during an energy crunch in a heating planet is perverse I have to agree with this. Trouble is there are too many conservationists and not enough environmentalists advising the government. Imagine the NHS stopping vaccinations, but allowing everyone to have cosmetic surgery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 29/10/2022 at 20:04, twice round the block said: It's not surprising that so many listed buildings especially old industrial buildings are so prone to arson attacks. 🤔 For the owner they are an insurance nightmare and for the developer they are a bottomless money pit, made worse by local authority planning departments. https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/historic-cranbrook-farm-become-housing-7758961 Here is an arson attack that has turned a grade 2 derelict farm into 12 houses. It says the crime remains unsolved 🧐 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 17 hours ago, Iceverge said: government body It is Edinburgh city council planning dept., doing their job. Another dept (national gov't) can advise on energy. For those who don't know Edinburgh, Drummond Street, although Georgian, is not one of the stunning Georgian areas of the 'New Town', but just outside the 'Old Town'. Both are World Heritage designated. I recommend visits to both, and hope the door is not a distracting feature by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, saveasteading said: Another dept (national gov't) can advise on energy. Except they have decided not to, anymore. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/oct/09/experts-attack-government-inaction-over-energy-saving-guidance Edited October 31, 2022 by SteamyTea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Tufton Street wants us to have the freedom to waste energy.....and buy more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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