SteamyTea Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Carrerahill said: Many of the smaller cars just will not last reliably past a decade and that is the ICE versions with traditional technology. They end up down here. And last a good few years more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ProDave said: I am still not convinced "transport" is the big villian in pollution. It is without doubt an easy target and a convenient thing to blame and demonise and easy to tax to the hilt in the guise of "solving" the problem. But our previous house used to burn about 2000 litres of Kerosene each year, that is roughly twice as much as the petrol my car burns in a year. Yet we don't see domestic fuel taxed at road fuel rates and we (so far) hear little about domestic fuel usage. All road vehicle transport emissions in the UK amount to about 20% of harmful air pollution. Burning wood for fuel is responsible for ~18% of harmful air pollution in the UK. Curious thing is that you can still get a government subsidy for burning wood to heat a home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: We polluted more, per capita when we had half the population. You have fallen into the Malhusian trap. If you halved the population of the globe tomorrow, current pollution issues are solved. We were at somewhere around half the current global population sometime in the 1960's but using heaps of coal and oil to and fuel the world, and generally didn't have a clue about the pollution many of the industries created, they were not regulated the Thames was a dumping ground so on and so forth. You cannot say 1 person created the same amount of pollution as 2 people do today and make that argument stand unless you consider the reduction in pollution generation. Simply put. If my grandfather drove 12miles it took him a gallon of dirty lead filled petrol, if I drive 12 miles I reckon it takes me 1/3 of a gallon of much cleaner fuel. So yes he polluted far more than me, but had they had today's tech... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Carrerahill said: If you halved the population of the globe tomorrow, current pollution issues are solved. So which half of the world do you want to exterminate. Don't be shy, or politically correct. Just say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, JSHarris said: All road vehicle transport emissions in the UK amount to about 20% of harmful air pollution. Burning wood for fuel is responsible for ~18% of harmful air pollution in the UK. Curious thing is that you can still get a government subsidy for burning wood to heat a home... However, the wood burning statistic is critically flawed. The calculations were based on a null and void figures, they worked out how many wood burning appliances there were (I think they said 1.5million at the time) and basically calculated the burn time as an average of something like 15 hours a day every day. Most wood burners I reckon are only on at weekends and for the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, JSHarris said: Hard to see how they could have any problem with something that presents less of a hazard to a partially sighted person than a paving slab Until a cable comes out. Then it is an unexpected hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieled Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: So which half of the world do you want to exterminate. Don't be shy, or politically correct. Just say it. If it's just Carbon reduction, then removing the richest 10% of the population would apparently reduce emissions by about half. Don't know how that translates to particulates though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: So which half of the world do you want to exterminate. Don't be shy, or politically correct. Just say it. You know what I am saying - it is just a point. Global single child policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Until a cable comes out. Then it is an unexpected hazard. The cable comes out right at the very edge by the curb, from the cut out there. The parked car's wing mirrors present more of an obstruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Carrerahill said: However, the wood burning statistic is critically flawed. The calculations were based on a null and void figures, they worked out how many wood burning appliances there were (I think they said 1.5million at the time) and basically calculated the burn time as an average of something like 15 hours a day every day. Most wood burners I reckon are only on at weekends and for the evening. However, most wood burning for heating happens in residential areas, so the relative air pollution impact is greater than road transport, where the highest density of traffic is on major trunk routes and motorways, which tend to run for most of their length away from connurbations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jamieled said: If it's just Carbon reduction, then removing the richest 10% of the population would apparently reduce emissions by about half. Don't know how that translates to particulates though. Be careful, on a global stage many of us are the richest 10%! To be in the richest 10% of the globe, all you need is about a net worth of £100,000. If you earn over £25K you are in the top 1% of the globe by earnings. Edited October 28, 2019 by Carrerahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Right, as much as I am enjoying this interesting discussion, and I do enjoy many of the discussions on this forum - we have some brilliant minds here and it would be great to sit in a pub with many of you and discuss many things from concrete pours to EV's, but I must shut my laptop down for the night (lowering my carbon footprint by shutting down and I switch off at the wall!) and go home! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JSHarris said: The cable comes out right at the very edge by the curb, from the cut out there. The parked car's wing mirrors present more of an obstruction. Iti s never goign to be allowed -- it will be dangerous remeber they started cutting down conker ttrees for the fear of being sued --so cables coming out of pavements --not a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, JSHarris said: The reason that Tesla are doing so well, has a lot to do with their Supercharger network. When you can just rock up somewhere like here: plug in (no need for cards, codes or anything) charge up in half an hour whilst having a cup of tea etc, and carry on, then it makes life a heck of a lot simpler. Coupled with a range of over 300 miles on a charge means that only one charge/rest break is likely for any long journey. That looks like an old photo of Hopwood Park before it was upgraded to 16 bays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMagic Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Re: charging without off street parking - we’ve just switched to an EV and face this issue however I was pleasantly surprised to learn that in Hampshire at least I can (at my own risk and liability) run a cable over the pavement with protection to charge an EV See https://www.hants.gov.uk/transport/ev-charging-points/ev-charging-guidance I fully appreciate the issues this could cause for less able persons so try to do this for overnight charging only. If I need it during the day then I pay for a rapid or use a destination charger...so far it’s working out well. Lots of good comments on both both sides on this thread - I’m pro the environmental side of things but I also fear the infrastructure isn’t quite there yet, but it’s improving daily with Polar now introducing a proper contactless pay as you go approach like instavolt. I also agree that simply replacing cars isn’t going to be a magic fix, we need improvements across the whole transport sector and one bit in particular that I’m disappointed in is our current ban on e-scooters and other types of e-mobility. I was recently in Singapore (yes I flew for work, not very eco) and they have fully embraced e-mobility and no one was running each other over, very respectful usage, everyone zipping around nicely. Great for short journeys. Anyway, it’s a big problem and is going to take effort from everyone to change for the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Yes, widespread use of electric motorcycles would massively reduce congestion and pollution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, ProDave said: Yes, widespread use of electric motorcycles would massively reduce congestion and pollution. would also be good for organ donation LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, ProDave said: Yes, widespread use of electric motorcycles would massively reduce congestion and pollution. All the rules for an existing driver to get a bike test is too high a barrier to entry. And, the range of electric motorbikes is pitiful. Odd thing with EVs, it is the large ones that have the range, not the little ones. The opposite to ICE cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Carrerahill said: Be careful, on a global stage many of us are the richest 10%! To be in the richest 10% of the globe, all you need is about a net worth of £100,000. If you earn over £25K you are in the top 1% of the globe by earnings. A full Uk basic state pension is very roughly the equivalent of a 200k pension pot, plus you get the extra security. Approximating using pension value x 30 .. recently I have seen index linked Final Salary Pensions being bought out at multiples of close to 40. I think Uk minimum wage puts you well into to the top few % globally, but watch out for cash vs PPP. Cannot finds source which is not spinning the numbers. Edited October 29, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Ferdinand said: recently I have seen index linked Final Salary Pensions being bought out at multiples of close to 40. I know of a few that have been a bit above that. Mine was only x 34 but still enough to persuade me to take the cash. This can put you up to (or above) the lifetime allowance however whereas defined benefit pensions are only valued as x 20 when assessed against the lifetime allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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