MikeSharp01 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just spotted this in the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/hmrc-pushes-massive-vat-increase-for-new-solar-battery-systems?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Won't worry self builders who reclaim the VAT but everybody else might find it a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 When they got rid of new car tax, car prices stayed the same. Many things are sold on a price point. So probably won't make much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 Yes but it does not send a great message does it pay more to do more for climate change, or so it seems on the surface! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Considering that PV systems are now at least a 1/3rd of the price they were 8 years ago. Sales since Jan 2016 have been fairly steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 ^^ It will be interesting to see the shape of that graph post March 2019. It would not surprise me if it was flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 “HMRC has blamed EU tax laws for the planned rise because they rule out lower VAT rates for energy saving equipment under state aid rules.” well Boris will sort that out (tin hat firmly on!!,) “The 5% VAT rate will still be allowed for housing associations and buyers who are over the age of 60 or receive certain benefits. The lower rate will also apply to the labour costs associated with installing the system while the 20% rate will be applied to the hardware only.” so it will be cheaper fir those of us over 60 who won’t live as long to receive the benefit of PV? BONKERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, ProDave said: It would not surprise me if it was flat That would still be an increase in installed systems though. 22 minutes ago, joe90 said: are over the age of 60 or receive certain benefits This does seems a bit peculiar, but then our tax system is. It really does need a total rethink instead of this sticking plaster approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Davies Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I'd be OK with 20% if they put it on all domestic energy. 20% on insulation and PV but 5% on mains gas and electricity is just perverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 It is also perverse that we do not directly tax pollution, but add on the cost of green generation to our utility bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotusBuild Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) and of course there is always the article that says "The government also hopes to encourage homes with solar panels to install batteries." in the very same publication, two weeks prior ? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/09/energy-firms-buy-electricity-from-household-rooftop-solar-panels But I do note from the 24 June article if I install after 1 Jan 2020 (highly likely!) then I get to benefit from being paid for feeding into the grid. Again. Just bl00dy perverse - what happens for those who install between April 1 and Dec 31 this year? No wonder there has been a massive fall in installations. Edited June 25, 2019 by BotusBuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just found this. https://www.energylivenews.com/2019/04/01/octopus-energys-new-tariff-offers-cash-for-solar-power-export/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 You can get paid for export now, at about 5.5p per KWh exported. BUT you have to have a smart meter fitted, and your system must have been installed by an MCS installer to qualify. Given how little I export, the extra cost if I had paid for an MCS installer would never be repaid from the small export tariff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ProDave said: You can get paid for export now, at about 5.5p per KWh exported. BUT you have to have a smart meter fitted, and your system must have been installed by an MCS installer to qualify. Given how little I export, the extra cost if I had paid for an MCS installer would never be repaid from the small export tariff. So that comes on top of the FiT. Hmmm. Interesting alternative to a divert device. Edited June 25, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: So that comes on top of the FiT. Hmmm. Interesting alternative to a divert device. No, if you have a system under the FIT, leave well alone. This is the new scheme for post FIT systems, to stop the complaints that people are giving away electricity for free. You can claim the new export payment if you are under the FIT but you would then loose the 50% deemed export payment from the FIT payment and instead get paid for actual export. The payment rate is only about 5.5p so for me at that price, it is better going into the immersion heater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, ProDave said: No, if you have a system under the FIT, leave well alone. This is the new scheme for post FIT systems, to stop the complaints that people are giving away electricity for free. You can claim the new export payment if you are under the FIT but you would then loose the 50% deemed export payment from the FIT payment and instead get paid for actual export. The payment rate is only about 5.5p so for me at that price, it is better going into the immersion heater. Was working with that. So it turns on whether or not you export more than 50%. At present I have no divert device or convenient sink load if I did. F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, ProDave said: You can get paid for export now, at about 5.5p per KWh exported. BUT you have to have a smart meter fitted, Bugger 58 minutes ago, ProDave said: and your system must have been installed by an MCS installer to qualify. Double bugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Are these still selling in large numbers? Now the retrofit cowboys have finished renting people’s roofs, surely new builds are the biggest market for these? MCS is just a scam. The whole process puts me off even considering them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 No the current scams going round are "upgrades" I had 3 calls on Monday trying to persuade me to upgrade my system with some form of snake oil that will boost the output from the panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, K78 said: MCS is just a scam. No more of a scam that getting your car MOTed though. We all know we can do a better job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: No more of a scam that getting your car MOTed though I thought that was more about roadworthiness than income stream - cynical me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: We all know we can do a better job of it. I hope so, I don’t need to MOT my classic anymore . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, ProDave said: your system must have been installed by an MCS installer to qualify. Given how little I export, the extra cost if I had paid for an MCS installer would never be repaid from the small export tariff. I know a bloke in the pub, mind you is it even worth the effort! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, joe90 said: I hope so, I don’t need to MOT my classic anymore . Nor mine. That was a bit of a surprise when it came in last year (or was it the year before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, ProDave said: Nor mine. That was a bit of a surprise when it came in last year (or was it the year before) Yeh and my mate who is a traffic officer said they are now on the lookout for older vehicles ...!! No tax or MoT required, and a few are forgetting insurance ... Number of unsafe vehicles they pull is rising too - oddly newer ones and usually tyres these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K78 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, PeterW said: Yeh and my mate who is a traffic officer said they are now on the lookout for older vehicles ...!! No tax or MoT required, and a few are forgetting insurance ... Number of unsafe vehicles they pull is rising too - oddly newer ones and usually tyres these days. I really didn’t think traffic officers had mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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