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Installation of Vaillant AroTherm Plus - DIY
JohnMo replied to BartW's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Just read the installer instructions, it should specify min cable mm2 for given max length. -
Their ASHP has the same connection, you remove the link. Replace it with a timer or thermostat with zero volt open close connection. Closed the hp is on open circuit pump is off. Do not use a powered connection
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Pretty similar
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I found this the other day. Useful to compare different UFH systems. https://www.jupiterunderfloorheating.com/heat-output-data
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That's a good compliant to have.
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I just built my own. 2x lengths 110mm convoluted underground duct, left over from build, one length for supply the other for return. Closed cell 25mm thick pipe insulation, Hep2O barrier pipe inside and aluminium foiled on outside of insulation. End of duct sealed at both ends at ground level, with stainless steel mesh with closed cell expanding foam (to keep any rodents out).
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It is - it burns really well
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New Build - UFH Zones, Buffer and Active Cooling?
JohnMo replied to Shaun McD's topic in Underfloor Heating
The thing to consider also, a well insulated house on weather comp, a 7 to 10 degree day your flow temp are likely to be circa 25 degrees. Your floor temp is likely to be only one or so degrees higher than target room temp. Once rooms are above floor temp the UFH heating is no longer giving heat to the room. The closer the room temp gets to floor temp the lower the floor output. Floor heating is nothing like radiators and takes a bit of a mind set change. So although it sounds odd the floor looks after its self and will start to a small degree moving heat to areas on the north side of the building if you leave the water circulation on. -
PIR requires 50% less buildup depth compared to polystyrene. 100mm PIR or 150mm polystyrene. But I would look to maximize the depth of PIR, to get best u value I could. You only get one chance, then it's all buried for ever.
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New Build - UFH Zones, Buffer and Active Cooling?
JohnMo replied to Shaun McD's topic in Underfloor Heating
If you are doing cooling get a thermostat that does both heating and cooling. Computherm for example you can select summer or winter modes. -
New Build - UFH Zones, Buffer and Active Cooling?
JohnMo replied to Shaun McD's topic in Underfloor Heating
I started our heating journey similar to you, lots of zones, but after 18 months have ended with a single zone. Your buffer size is defined by the smallest zone that can be in use, and the amount of water you need in the available system to give a suitable heat pump run time and allow defrosting. So the smaller the zone and bigger the heat pump, the bigger the buffer. Other thing to consider is flow temperature, to get best CoP it needs to be as low as possible, so coupled with UFH both require long run times, so forme the zones did nothing just got in the way of a simple system. -
Set the correct flow temperature and number of hours, as long as our screed is thick enough to store the energy required. Works well with a thick screed not so well a thin screed. Then it's a matter of matching heating time to likely demand due to outside temperature. If you're putting in one Willis, install a spare at the same time, as they are cheap.
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Hense putting them below engineered bricks. The engineered bricks take the fixings.
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Strip foundation are easy to do, simple blockwork, just need to be careful you design out cold bridges. Single storey big houses are expensive floors to put together there is no getting away from it. Our internal structural walls are sitting on thermolite blocks topped of with 65mm engineered bricks. Simple to install low cost. 200mm of PIR, 100mm concrete screed, perimeter of wall has 70mm PIR upstand.
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What are they?
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That's hot for an ASHP, you need the flow reducing to about low to mid 30s to get a good CoP. How are operating the system, long or short run times? Is the system all plumped up or is the UFH an additional zone being added to the existing system? There an interesting valve, not seen them before.
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New member - stuck for what to do next to warm the house
JohnMo replied to Sparrowhawk's topic in Introduce Yourself
Sorry should have been more explicit, that I was just talking the floor, but you also need to take in to account perimeter, area ratio also. -
New member - stuck for what to do next to warm the house
JohnMo replied to Sparrowhawk's topic in Introduce Yourself
Sorry I may have jumped in without reading all the previous parts of the thread. When working out the heat losses from the floor with ufh you are using the mean flow temperature instead of the room temperature. Just to complicate things. The worse the U value the higher the flow temp has to be, to compensate for the downward losses, etc.. -
New member - stuck for what to do next to warm the house
JohnMo replied to Sparrowhawk's topic in Introduce Yourself
Your delta T will need to much lower than that, 6 to 8 comes to mind. Your floor will be hot and cold spots with a delta that high. Also the floor heat output is calculated by the mean flow temp, the bigger the delta the lower the output for a given flow temp. -
If you are thinking a Grant ASHP, go to their website look for an approved installed there. Most Grant installers can do heat pumps, Grant the company hold the MCS certificate.
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Still think the equivalent bit,is vague enough to not require MCS installer. That's my interpretation and I will be sticking with it, as many on here have previously done. So will self install, follow guidance within MCS where required and equipment manual where that give specific instructions. Complete a commissioning certificate etc.
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I am just adding clarity for the whole of the UK. But the English and Welsh standard you linked to is basically word word identical. Starting as below "equivalent" Development not permitted G.1 Development is not permitted by Class G unless the air source heat pump complies with the MCS Planning Standards or equivalent standards. So it doesn't need to be installed to MCS standards by MCS certified installer. In any part of the Uk
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I have just been through the Scottish legislation and basically if it can't be seen and "an ASHP must comply with MCS Planning Standards or equivalent standards", important bit is equivalent. it is permitted development.
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Cheap sturdy vacuum cleaner for DIY cleanup
JohnMo replied to Gill's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Henry are good, Dyson bad, they don't like building dust and it voids the warranty. Been there done it, one broken Dyson. Henry was used when I ground away a huge high spot in my concrete floor, 7 bags of concrete dust later it was still running fine, 18 months later - still running fine.
