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Bit of fun - Spot the mistake - or perhaps there isn't one!
JohnMo replied to MikeSharp01's topic in General Plumbing
Apart from the drawing being wrong - nothing much wrong. I would do - cold water main to PRV, then the check valve, (long bit), flexible, then the short bit. Not sure I would be filling the heating to 3 bar though. Mine currently sits at 0.5 bar. -
Sum it up in one sentence then... Go on.
JohnMo replied to ToughButterCup's topic in General Self Build & DIY Discussion
Easy enough if you plan everything ahead, can get complex and expensive if you don't. Or I just paid someone else to do it, it was fine. Or Never been so knackered, everyone asks you a 101 questions every day. Or I'm broke, house isn't finished, can I have another pint, before I go back to do another 4 hrs, loads to do before the contractors get back tomorrow. -
The manufacturers website doesn't even include that detail either.
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Your system is reacting the same way as an oversized boiler. The reason it does that, is similar to a kettle, you put a cup of water in it it boils in seconds, fill it it takes an age to heat up. It sounds like you simply don't have enough water volume engaged. Then you have a mixer, this will always mix some of the return water with incoming water, and it doesn't make any different temperatures you set them at they always bypass some return water back to incoming water. If your loops are doing 3l/min, your flow through the Willis is nearer 2l/min. Which is a trickle. The other thing is target flow temp goes out the window with cycling as the target is based on average flow temp. Example, target of 30 degs, is fine if running heat input for hours at a time, but if you are cycling every couple of mins, it's more like 20 then 30, so now your average is nearer 25. So you have to set the target higher to compensate. I would do this first - keep all loops open or closed so run a single circuit. So one control thermostat connected to all loops. And - Crank up the loop flow rate to get more water moved about. Flow each loop at max flow, if making any noise trim them back a little. Then if it's still not ok Delete the mixer, add a pipe stat, for floor protection, to the hot pipe going into manifold. Then finally, add a buffer or volumiser to system.
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Decent "middle of the road" brand for plugin tools?
JohnMo replied to YodhrinForge's topic in Tools & Equipment
I've bought DeWalt and Matika, 230V stuff, all good no issues. A Titan SDS from Screwfix, used it plenty further build, no issues. -
Your best way to heat almost any house is low and slow, just keep the house heating ticking over. Heat one room, you are really trying to heat the whole house via one room. The external house walls leak heat more slowly than internal walls and doors. So you have one radiator on it runs balls out trying to make up for the heat slipping through the internal walls to adjacent rooms. By low and slow is more about room temps. The normal way is via short time slots, every time to switch heating on, you have to heat the building fabric, all the metal in the heating system etc, so you over compensate with higher room temps. As cold walls suck the heat from you, heavy radiator driven air currents drag cold air about etc. Leaving heating on for long periods with small nightly setbacks, allows the whole house temperature to stabilise, boiler moves to a more tick over mode than flat out for short periods. My sister did exactly the same as you are trying, I convinced to try longer run times with no zoning, the house became more comfortable, rooms that didn't heat well, all became comfortable, heating cost hardly changed.
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You can easily heat individual room with enough zone valves or radiator valves. But you get to the point that boiler cannot turn down output far enough and you get short cycling - basically burning loads of gas for little gain. That just means remote access, so nothing smart just an on off device with internet access.
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An ASHP feeding UFH will only add heat slowly as flow temp rise is capped by dT between flow and return. If I set mine to batch charge - 35 Deg target point, it will take several hours of full load run to get anywhere that target. So if you set timed windows of one hour for DHW, you will have zero issue, if the 3 port diverter failed. Only cold water coming out the tap.
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So to today's questions on our ASHP install.
JohnMo replied to MikeSharp01's topic in General Plumbing
Can't it - heat loss due to internal 'waterfalling' at pipe connections (tiny little thermal loops where warm water goes into pipe, cools and then falls back into tank, bringing more hot water into pipe). Sounds like a thermosyphon to me. Yes your pipe stays nice and warm at the expense of continuous heat loss, even with good insulation. How many if any seconds it saves you? Just had a shower secondary circulation off, cylinder 20m away from shower, in time it took to take clothes off, I walked straight into warm shower. I will keep the losses in check. -
So to today's questions on our ASHP install.
JohnMo replied to MikeSharp01's topic in General Plumbing
It's a lockable valve. A normal service valve or a motorised valve isn't. @Nickfromwales just beat me to it. -
Distance to combustibles flue passing through wall
JohnMo replied to jimseng's topic in Stoves, Fires & Fireplaces
So you need to cut all this back. I would get a suitably rated neoprene flashing/ grommet to tape to your membrane that will get you airtightness back. You may need to add a metal trim plate to get the plasterboard tidy. The insulation around the flue replace with Rockwool as it's classed as fireproof. Warmcell has a fire rating of around E/F, Rockwool is A1. So you may need to box this part of wall in to keep the insulation from mixing. -
So to today's questions on our ASHP install.
JohnMo replied to MikeSharp01's topic in General Plumbing
1 question if you are doing the UVC yourself, where are you getting the sign off certificate from? Assume you are not qualified, as you would ask the questions. Hot water outlet pipe, I would drop pipe downwards at cylinder edge for about 150mm to stop thermosiphon. Your grey and white expansion vessel is a maintained item, so you need access to the Schrader valves to pressurise - do you have access in that location? Do you need one at all, certainly if you have secondary circulation loop you will have issues installing one with out carefully planning. Yes they are approved. You water less on MVHR also. Ideally needs to be on the return line, but an isolating valve or similar device should NOT be installed between the boiler/heat pump and expansion vessel which could isolate the expansion vessel from the system. -
stainless steel screws for chestnut cladding / decking etc
JohnMo replied to marmic's topic in Building Materials
It's a bit more than that, physically they have different yield and tensile strength and different corrosion resistance. A4 being better than A2. -
Surge protection, fuses and MCBs in loft from PV array.
JohnMo replied to jimseng's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
So just do long cables, with no breaks between panels and inverter. -
Fabric and ventilation heat loss calculator
JohnMo replied to Jeremy Harris's topic in Heat Insulation
Yes, but you don't need to add anything for DHW. The way they test heat pumps is more for central Europe, which has a dryer atmosphere, so less defrosting goes on. So I would look at nearer 8-9kW (at -3) not a 6-7kW. But as mentioned turn down and modulation is important.- 182 replies
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Fabric and ventilation heat loss calculator
JohnMo replied to Jeremy Harris's topic in Heat Insulation
I got some stupid quote, a massive heat pump offered, even with an 'A' EPC. And an actual heat loss for house, close to 3.5kW even at -9 outside.- 182 replies
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Surge protection, fuses and MCBs in loft from PV array.
JohnMo replied to jimseng's topic in Photovoltaics (PV)
Just put the inverter in the loft, terminate direct to the inverter, then an AC isolation switch and then down to consumer units. Then you have PV array plugs and inverter plugs nothing else on DC side. Or just use longer DC cables and take then direct to the inverter location planned? -
Really depends on heat loss - start with the basics do a heat loss calculation. Then you will know what size you need. 19 radiators in a heat seize of a house and 19 radiators in a low heat loss house require different heat inputs. This will give you an easy means of getting somewhere close https://heatgeek.com/articles/heat-loss-calculations
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Perimeter insulation - flooring butted up to or laid over?
JohnMo replied to Dunc's topic in General Construction Issues
The reason I said in the first place was, that the flexibility comes from having a big energy store, then you can play tunes with how you heat your house. Pure weather compensation is fine with thin and thicker screeds, batch charge can only be done with thicker screeds. Batch charging can be useful with time of use tariffs. A few on here only heat on cheap rate periods. 40mm is more like a big radiator. -
Fabric and ventilation heat loss calculator
JohnMo replied to Jeremy Harris's topic in Heat Insulation
I would size heat pump based on a few criteria Over size ashp approx 1.2 to 1.4 for region of +5 to 0 to allow for defrosting. Make sure heat pump puts out a genuine minimum of 7kW at you design temp. Take note also of oversize to cover defrosting. Get a heat pump with good modulation. Size system volume based on 20L per kW output at minimum modulation of heat pump. Exclude in volume calculation any radiators with trvs and their pipe work. Exclude any UFH loops with actuators. Any volume needed, add by volumiser not buffer.- 182 replies
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Sudden pressure loss in ASHP system
JohnMo replied to kandgmitchell's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
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Fabric and ventilation heat loss calculator
JohnMo replied to Jeremy Harris's topic in Heat Insulation
Put in 0 rather than empty. Put 0.3 to 0.5 in the ACH. This figure isn't airtightness its ventilation heat loss calculation. Airtightness does have an impact but its small if you are doing airtightness detailing.- 182 replies
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Perimeter insulation - flooring butted up to or laid over?
JohnMo replied to Dunc's topic in General Construction Issues
Took my insulation at the wall edge out as far as the inside edge of the skirting. So bottom image but wider. I would do 200mm PIR and increase screed depth. -
Via the same search, but direct wording from the Emneti website. The Tecno-Varia vent valves allow for automatic air evacuation, but with the patented Tecno-Varia version and the extra manual vent, it is also possible: - monitor the valve's regular operation; - accelerate air evacuation in specific conditions (e.g., system filling). Those were my words
