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Ok progress.. Ive turned these 2 islolators 1/4 turn & water off @ both taps now. But I'm still unsure where/ how to go on from here, having found these 2 isolators. So can I proceed with undoing the sink with just these isolators as they are? is just using these 2 wee things to shut off water sufficient.. or should I be turning outside tap off (& one on the HW tank iirc)? Thanks zoot

I still cannot see how to remove the cabinets, or the sink, without tearing the shelf & back panel apart due to the pipes in very tight holes.. such as pic above, & here below.. Is that the idea/ rip out & replace shelf & back panel-?

I have found 2 valves here.. didn't see them before. Q: does this now simplify, or change my procedure?

The bottom across section of pipe, between the elbows, is only 13.5cm.. this is what I was worried about re. the HPs20 vlaves being maybe too long..

Got more issues to face before I can cut/ shift out cabinets.. jeesus I didn't look down here yet:

Aha great thanks Peter that makes more sense.. I would've struggled with a load of new H20 bits all wrong with the white placcy stuff still connected up. Good so I can just get 2x H20 valves tmrw, & hopefully can make good progress over the weekend. If I get all the h20 bits at once I'm fuddled. One thing tho.. how long are these h20 valves? I need to make room enough for a pipe section > then RH elbow to get on just below the new sink, which is deeper (plus the worktop is less H). Or am I looking for a isolation valve with an elbow on then end of it/ 1 unit.. do these exist? ideal if so/ more room to play with.

Peter, when you say 'clean pipes up level with waste trap' I'm not understanding where you mean as I don't know what a waste trap is (googled it/ it could a part of the U bend, the black sections, or the strainer in the sink/ not clear).. so I'm not sure where you suggest to cut. There are 3 sections I have. 1st is upright, 2nd is across, 3rd is upright. Can you pinpoint from my pic, which to cut at? If 1st or 2nd.. how far up/ down/ across? if we say relative to the black under sink stuff (this is level with the 2nd across sections). thanks zoot

Where to cut pipes: Peter I think said "at food trap" so that could be @ either the last upright sections ~8" below taps.. or @ the start of the horizontal 6" bit. Both are same distance from the food trap (the btm of sink line, if that's what a food trap is). I can't get a cutter on the last uprights as pipes too close together, so is the start of the horizontal bits the idea..? or lower, on the vertical bits? how do I get the tap section off too, to see how to unhook the last upright bits-? I'm finding where to cut very hard to judge: if I cut before the horizontal section, on the vertical prior bits.. then I need to go way down to accomodate the new isolation valve > a section > elbow (to go R) > another section > elbow (to go UP) > another section > attatchement (whatever this is) for the flex pipe hex nut to then fit onto. That's very costly surely x2. That seems WAY overcomplicated to me considering I've got all the plumbing bits where they are/ in theory its just cut them @ tops, fit ISO valves > flex pipe fits onto this (but does it fit onto these?). Can you get isolation valves, from this H20 company, that incorporated an elbow in with an isolation valve? or are all isolation valves a short straight end-to-end

Peter that's an interesting idea, but I've gone 35mm holesaw, bought a crappy ebay one.. I'll be v. slow & should be ok. Is the idea with these the centre drill bit stays put into the centremark whilst outer ring's drilled same time?

Right gonna buy these/ if Im careful should be ok. Cheers onoff, good nod that after all!

Aha.. so you think I'll be ok with these amtechs then? its 3-4mm fancy composite/ plastic basically.

That's the same one you said don't buy at all costs tho!!

Actually the clip is for a granite sink, not tectonite (typo (no hang on you've added another clip! thanks newhome). Just seems like very hard plastic to me. Its got a tiny hole where centre is.. thanks alot Franke.

Composite s'thing.. maybe what Superman's red pants made out of iirc: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Franke-Aveta-1-0-Bowl-Cream-Tectonite-Reversible-Kitchen-Sink-Waste/142707276976?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Godamm hole.. I don't have the twatty green thing to knock thru, or a 35mm started already circle on it so I get the idea of the clip, but really this should not be something I have to do, I should be able to buy either a bowl L or R, with a hole in. its a ripoff I think. Ok will ponder what to do.

The waste trap being.. the bottom of the 'U'? not just after where they go sideways? can hs20 type isolators have an elbow in, or are we talking 2 units separated by copper pipe (or 3 units if 2 elbows + an isolator valve/ per side?). I was hoping it would be simpler tbh. I can't quite follow/ picture what the idea is.

Onoff its a composite fancy Franke. Couldn't the 35mm hole be made by a series of HSS 3mm holes/ hacksaw blade? I was concerned I was gonna have to go for one of those cutters, & an arbor too then.. they look scary (& £12 for 1 cut Im ever gonna use it for too!)

New 155mm connectors..

New tap will be almost smack in line with old one..

Understood. There is decent plumbing underneath ~spot on where the new tap will be tho. Its just a Q of guaging where to cut & doing it right the 1st time maybe, if going with what's there. I'm not sure how the PB goes onto this area tho so maybe your idea is best with this in mind. I'll weigh it up tmrw once I stick a pic up. I need a break- & I haven't done anything! Aprreciated.

This is my 1st ever house onoff. I have waited 25 years of scrimp/ houses getting farther away.. etc to -finally- be just able to get a small 2 bed house, far away from family/ friends, which had to be in the state its in in order to have afforded it. I have been here 2 years. Have I thought about moving? not one iota. Not one iota even having been bullied by neighbours from the very 1st day I moved in. A house after so much trying & time, & years of hopelessness thinking about never being able to get on the fkn property ladder in the UK.. isn't merely just a house: its FAR more than that. THAT'S why I can (mostly) cope with the sh*t Ive had to face (literally). I don't think you understand what its been like for those of my generation.

Onoff. I'm recovering form surgery/ in much pain again, I have 2 pairs of neihbours either side of me, ganging up on me on a dialy basis I am having to cope with, faeces etc/ that bad, & my work's dried up to a serious degree. Its not 'ooh Im depressed a bit'. I'm facing major challenges at the moment, & when it seems a few of you are ganging up on me too.. yes it tips me over into it becoming slightly depressing. OK?

I know what you mean newhome.. but that's fine if you know what you're doing/ have a plan for the next day, next etc & roughly can follow. But I'm in a different boat. I've never done any of this before. Each thing I thought relatively simple is instead a major headache.. the plumbing under the sink I cannot guage the size, therefore what needs replacing/ where to cut, & replace with what as all these recommended bits are new to me. Or the hob I thought a breeze to replace for a bit of progress/ relief from a week out of action staring at all this yet to do- is instead a total fkn n'mare: the new hob's 3" deeper than old. So only way to fit is to remove oven & sit it down way over an inch with gaps galore above & below, then how to.. seems only viable by taking the whole 3-unit thing apart & reconstructing. Ive given up & put old hob back in. Its becoming depressing & getting way on top of me, esp having to cut my ext cable now.

Peter, the standard tail 155mm things that fit into the tap > then flexi with a hex 1/2" nut on.. cannot fit onto the hep20 things. Is that correct? so the thing you linked to is a converter.. I put on the flexi tail hex end > into the hep20 isolator valve, with the 2 similar ends? christ on a bike.. I thought this was going to be the easiest bit!!

This is mixtap info (looks like a 1/2" guage hon the hex connector ends // M8 connections into the 2 tap inputs, by hand) https://city-plumbing-supplies.scene7.com/is/content/travisperkins/Kitchen-Taps-iflo-Kisdon-Monobloc-Chrome-Kitchen-Tap~X0016_323212_TECH_0