Roger440

Are they actually registered for VAT though. If they are, they wont even need to pay VAT themselves at point of entry as it always used to be. You just add it to your VAT return at the end of the quarter. To me, this sounds like they are NOT VAT registered. Or they are clueless. Or on the make. As above, is the UK vat, or Polish VAT they want you to pay?

Are you sure.?in your previous posts you talk about vapour barriers.................................

I think you need to consider what you are doing here. You have a sandstone wall, presumably with no DPC. Your list of options includes both vapour premeable and non permeable. Given your wall build up, why are you considering a non permeable build up?

Thats still bonkers! If you do the floor, adding a UFH loop is pennies extra, UFH pipe is cheap. All you need is this: https://www.ufhtradedirect.co.uk/multi-zone-warm-water-kits/358-623-emmeti-2-port-x-100-metre-kit.html#/57-thermostats-hetta_programmable_thermostat_000 Make sure its pressurised when the floor is laid though! I did that bit myself when i had the floor done. If its old with no DPC, id strongly suggest NOT using a modern DPM under with PIR/EPS etc. Likely to caiuse you more damp issues. Damp walls = cold walls (you dont mention that?) I used the foamed glass under the slab. Should ensure a reduction in moisture getting to walls, plus insulate and act as the foundantion layer at the sime time, so a thinner build up. You dont want to disturn the foundations on this by digging down to far. Again i stripped out the floor, dug down a bit and prepared ut myself. Then the chaps came in and put the foamed glass down. With hindsight, i could easily have done that myself. Then i put the pipes down. Then they came back and laid the floor. In my case it was connected to my existing heating circuit (oil) All that said, you need to insulate the roof first, an, i suspect your walls are wet, so will suck heat like nothing else. Whats the humidity levels in the house?

Id question that. Looking at their accounts, there is no way they are involved in building or maintaining it. Simply not enough money passing through to support that. I reckon prodave has it right, they bought a bunch of shares and are selling them on. Id take a guess that the "resonable fee" will turn out to be very large, and they definitely wont be around in a few years time. As i said, having engaged with them, the ceased immediately when i asked them to demonstrate that my investment was safe and my discounted bills would continue if they ceased to be the managing agent. They initally tried to use the "its a cooperative" angle, which ripple quite cleary isnt. If prodave is right, then, as far as i can see, you are not protected in any way against them going bust, or otherwise squandering your money. If im wrong on that and its covered by the FCA or similar, im happy to be corrected.

Indeed it is. I did O level (that dates me) in maths and physics. The flaw in the plan was that i failed both!

No info on nipples there !! But with regard the company, not very big is it? Raises more questions than answers. Not sure how we deduce that its a co-operative (or not). Looks like a regular ltd company, though im no expert on these matters. Even if it is, i dont see that stops it going bust. The windfarm that you are alledgedly investing in is a seperate entity. So what is my recourse to my share of that?

I know it not realistic. As do you and anyone with half a brain. So why say it? However, if you are a gas company, and the PM is spouting this nonsense, would you not revise your plans, investment and maintenance accordingly? Its going to be quite a difficult business to exit without going bust in the process. Where do you even start with winding down an infrastructure system the size and complexity of the gas network.

Almost none to answer your last question. Training wont fix the problem. And who would train them anyway? Doing it right is complex and requires thougt, understanding and some calulations. Those that can do that will. And will no doubt have more work than they can cope with. The scale of education required to get to a point where the alleged wave of heat pump installations that need doing are done right is mind boggling. It simply cant and wont happen at the pace being talked about. I had a nice chap move my oil boiler, as it was rather low and somewhat flood prone. Its outside, so the pipes outside needed extending as part of raising it. Attached to the wall with the usual white clips. Under duress he fitted some 13mm wall, grey pipe insulation. The stuff you get from B&Q/wickes etc. Which he had to trim to fit between the wall and pipe. At the ends where there is a 90 degree fitting he put some duct tape over the exposed elbows. And called it done. So bugger all insulation, un insulated on the elbows, and with insulation thats not UV stable in an outdoor south facing environment. So i get to heat up the world. This is basic stuff. And these are the people you are expecting to come up with and install and set up a complex system multi-zone system? As i say, not going to happen. I have subsequently had to insulate it properly with UV stable, 25mm wall armaflex. With proper corners. Though still compromised on clearance to the wall as i cant change that. Yet everyone uses those clips thus ensuring you CANT fit insulation. Oh, and where it passed through the wall, he sleeved them through a 28mm copper pipe. Which is good as it means the actual pipe wont be in contact with the brick/cement. Sadly, however, it surfaces inside a boxed in area. No attempt made to seal the sleeve to the pipe or the sleeve to the wall. So another penetration that can leak air.................... Needless to say, also fixed by me.

Bit of a flaw that one. So you "could" never see any benefit if it doesnt actually get built? I did ask them what happens if they go bust. Aside from mounting a robust defence based on being a co-operative and that i would own a piece of windfarm, they elected not to actually answer my question if they do indeed go bust as the (their words) "managing agents". What i cant figure out is who is the cooperative, ripple as the manging agent, or the company building the wind farm. Something tells me going bust is inevitable once they have amassed a pile of money. Maybe im too cynical???

Cant do multiquote. So... Why does a gasification boiler add complexity if im just heating up a very big water tank. Surely it would just have a seperate coil in the tank from all the other clutter? What am i missing? Surely wiring up PV direct to immersion heaters is less efficent than a ASHP? Whilst it certainly has simplicity on its side, id need a much bigger array. My experience of valves in domestic heating systems isnt one of reliability. Useless bloody things. Either seized or piddling out water. You are correct on current government policy on gas boilers. ie, new can no longer be fitted, but you can still use them. Starmer stated that if elected he will phase out all fossil fuel burning by 2030. Thats a very different proposal.

That wont work. Where are the clever people that can set all that stuff up. Let me tell you, there are nowhere near enough of them. Nor, realistically is it likely that the installer can set this up at the time. As is evidenced on here, to get these things working perfectly takes some analysis, tinkering and experimentation to get right. Out in the real world that just isnt going to happen. People will do what they always do. Open a window, switch off the MVHR etc. Thats before you get to the costs of such systems.

"Could" easily do so. May not want to. I find 21.5 to be just right in my living room. You also need to factor in the time of year. Peoplec will often want a higher temp in winter than in summer. I found this back when i had a fleet of trains to look after. The complaints were too cold in winter, too hot in summer. The reality was, the temps were always the same. So i made it a twice yearly task to change the target setting. Going from memory, we changed it to 21.5 in winter, 19.5 in summer. Customer complaints largely disappeared. Still the odd, genuine complaint because it was broken of course, but basically solved the issue. Besides, there can be other benfits to more brief attire depending who you are living with.................................

"Could" easily do so. May not want to. I find 21.5 to be just right in my living room. You also need to factor in the time of year. Peoplec will often want a higher temp in winter than in summer. I found this back when i had a fleet of trains to look after. The complaints were too cold in winter, too hot in summer. The reality was, the temps were always the same. So i made it a twice yearly task to change the target setting. Going from memory, we changed it to 21.5 in winter, 19.5 in summer. Customer complaints largely disappeared. Still the odd, genuine complaint because it was broken of course, but basically solved the issue. Besides, there can be other benfits to more brief attire depending who you are living with.................................

Indeed. I dont know anyone that runs there heating/house "too warm". I find its just the right temp for them, or in my house for me. What Kelvin really meant, is too warm for "him".

But it is. Nobody is going to build a muclear power station, for example, without direct say so from government and gurantees about prices. Understandably as government is prone to move the goal posts on mere whims. If my only concern was outages, then yes, have a generator (which i do, a nice disel 5KVA affair) but as we discussed earlier there is the price element too. That got lost in the debate. Again, i dont trust them not to allow, through supply and demand, or otherwise deliberately, to drive up the cost of electricity. eg, Starmer says no more gas (or oil) for homes after 2030. This is your next PM. Probably. What do you reckon will happen to electricity demand when that happens? And the corresponding effect on prices? Given as you yourself say, the lead times on infrastructure. We both know there is zero possibility of converting 30 million homes from gas to heat pumps in that time frame no matter what he says. The national grid nor the civil service can save us from this level of stupid. As i said, im not going to be a victim.

Well, I was looking at gridwatch. Ok it's all a dumbed down dashboard, but still a reasonable indicator I would have thought? As I said, I don't doubt technical solutions exist. Of course they do. A nd will continue to be developed. Where we differ, is that you believe stuff will get done to ensure we don't have shortages. I don't believe it at all. The days of government essentially doing their best for the country are in the past. I don't believe it and will do what I have to do, to ensure I don't suffer as a consequence. Or at least limit that suffering to a minimum. Many will disagree with that position, but me doing it won't impact anyone else, other than some possible small scale fossil fuel burning. Meanwhile, yes, energy storage would be a game changer, which is what we are supposed to be discussing 🙂

More interest is unsurprising given what's going on. I don't doubt for a minute there are technical solutions. That's not what I'm worried about. It's the ability of our government to make the right decisions, well, any decisions really. No amount of data will solve that. Of course RE is more than wind. But it forms the biggest part of it. And you graph is nicely smoothed. Like the day when wind was at 3%. The graph says all was well. But the reality was, had we not fired up every fossil fuel burning contraption we had available, there would have been a shortage. Again, can technical solutions be found? Sure. Will they be, not a chance. Not to a level that gives us a reliable supply at a sensible stable cost.

Sorry, I meant how do you get the air to 600?

Hmmm. But surely that means the air needs to hotter than that?

How would you get it to 510 degrees though?

Im not sure of the relevance of the graph? Its just showing the split? If its 100% wind and we never have shortages, great. Its working reliably. So far. But we did have to issue a warning prior to christmas that there may be a shortage. To me, thats living on the edge. Going from memory that night, wind was down at 3%. We just didnt have the ability to generate more. As it happened, it passed without incident. You have to believe that the government wont allow us to have power outages to reley 100% on the grid, even leaving aside ever increasing costs. Sadly, i dont believe it at all and fully expect us to have shortages. That could be incompetence or otherwise. Doesnt really matter which, Shortages are shortages. I dont want to be a victim. I guess you believe the challenges will be overcome?

Thanks. Thats changed then.

Just extended periods of low generation to cover off then. Like a lot of the last 3 months. Of course, if we allow suply and demand to drive the price, it just means that prices wil be massively high when its not windy. I dont see that as a satisfactory solution, but im pretty sure thats the one we are getting. Sufficiently convinced that im here on this thread discussing ways to ensure im not a victim.

Didnt think octopus were taking new customers? Ripplle discussed already in this thread. Not something i would be putting money into. Way to high risk.