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  1. No they don't. There are plenty of very large commercial projects using what I explained was a traditional fully supported standing seam roof. There are plenty of published details. I personally have a copy of the Federation of Traditional Metal Roofing Contractors Guide to Good Practice because I've installed this type of roof. The fully supported traditional standing seam roof is used both for commercial and domestic purposes and has been for decades, if not more than 100 years, more widely outside of the UK. As I think I said, we're talking different products designed for different build systems. For a domestic project, you're unlikely to get any supplier to sell you the systems used for this kind of commercial project, because it's not worth their while due to the normal size of project.I spoke to a few for my current project and the closest I got from one of them was an indication that I might get some offcuts from an airport development. Typically the commercial standing seam roofs I think you are refering to have a much higher upstand, but you'll find they're similar thicknesses to slightly thicker at about 0.7 - 1.2mm. They tend to have a narrower cover at about 400mm or just over IIRC. They also often consist of a sandwich construction with double layers of steel- corrugated below as a structural deck, insulation, and then the standing seam (e.g. Kingspan). I've come across one traditional standing seam product by Euroclad (basically Tata Steel Colourcoat Urban), that can apparently be installed just on battens, but in this case, I'd be concerned maintenance access would be severely compromised. The fundamental fact is that the OP asked whether sarking boards and breather membrane were satisfactory for supporting a traditional standing seam roof and the answer is that yes they are. Sarking boards are actually preferred to osb and plywood as a substrate because they provide better through ventilation to the back of the metal. Plywood is the popular installers choice because it has good pull out strength for nails which reduces installation time and osb is third because of reduced fixing pull out strength, so you either have to increase the number of fixings or use screws instead of nails in high wind uplift areas.
  2. I'm not sure of you're talking cross purposes here. The issue with the hip on a traditional fully supported standing seam roof isn't as described above because you would simply form shorter trays from the coil to account for the effective roof length. Indeed, this would also be done if you were ordering prefabricated standing seam sheets as you'd pull the required measurements off the as built roof. You wouldn't experience the same wastage compared to a standard length corrogated metal roof sheet, nor would you experience problems cutting each tray to fit the angle of the hip ridge - this is bread and butter for a standing seam contractor and is very easy to do. On traditional stending seam, there is not overlap. The coils are sold in certain widths which can be specified, the most commog being a cover between seams of 430mm, 530mm and 600mm, with corresponding coild widths of 500, 600 and 670 for 25mm standing seams. Not on a traditional standing seam roof. This requires the metal to be fully supported. However, I do wonder about the necessity of this buildup I think the roofers could easily have left out the 9mm osb and first layer of breather membrane unless they were worried about wind wash on the insulation where membrane would be sensible. Otherwise, it's absolutely the correct buildup with 18mm supporting osb and membrane under the steel roof. This is not correct, you're talking different a different roof finish compared to a standing seam roof which does require support, unless the OP has got the terms confused?
  3. Assuming you'll be using traditional sarking boards at 22mm thickness these are fine for a standing seam roof. Just make sure that if you do go for the standing seam you use a marginally thinner sarking board at the eaves for the eaves flashing. With traditional standing seam it's often the labour that's expensive and this will depend on the number of penetrations in the roof and its shape. If it's a simple rectangular shape, it's a really straight forward and quick process. You can even buy ready fabricated trays that clip together saving even more on labour. I've installed both and love both materials, but I think my personal preference does now lean towards the metal.
  4. Give Promain a call. They have lots of anti slip paints and will be able to tell you which is best suited to osb. Here's their pages for wood floor anti-slip paints;
  5. The flat and lean-to roofs are pretty easy, the gabled extension may or may not be. As you've illustrated the design, it has a fully vaulted design which really needs the input of a structural engineer first as there are various options as to how to tie the trusses - this will have most impact on the cost. You could use a steel or glulam frame which tie the trusses at the ridge, or you can use ridged or cable ties. Steel portal frame may be the cheapest option as it could be as little as a few grand, but as already mentioned above, it depends on the details.
  6. I've used loads of stainless in various widths and it is very malleable. If you wanted, ping me a pm with your address and I'll pop a few meters of offcuts, probably 75 or 100mm width, in the post for you to see how it works. If it's too wide you can actually cut it with scissors. I use Robinson wire cloth, better prices than the Amazon link.
  7. The 60% rule came in a couple of years ago. If a supplier is supplying and fitting a qualifying energy savings measure, like a heat pump, and lets say charges a total of Β£10,000 ex vat. If the supplier has to pay more than 60% of that to buy the products and materials then the vat charged needs to be apportioned between materials and labour. Materials gets charged at 20% and the labour at 5%. If the total materials is below 60% of the total charged, then the supplier can charge at the lower threshold of 5%. This is warning bell no 1 with your quote. If he hasn't done his own heat loss calcs and merely relied on an incorrect epc, that's warning no. 2. He really needs to do this himself and also carefully design the heating system for a heat pump. Just chucking in a heat pump is unlikely to yield promising results. It looks like your existing radiators are being kept in the new system? That is not a good sign either.
  8. I should probably also add that if the quote doesn’t exceed the 60% vat rule the whole supply should be 5 % vat.
  9. Nibe is a leading Swedish manufacturer of heat pumps so no worries there. However, I would check your supplier as I don't think they have treated your installation correctly for VAT purposes as they've quoted you a flat 20% whereas I believe it should be apportioned between materials and labour with different VAT rates. Not a good start for a potential contractor as Nibe actually provides guidance for this on its very own website. Also, has the company provided you with their own heat loss calcs? That would be useful so you can verify the claimed reduction in heating costs and RHI and of course the sizing of the heat pump. At least it'll be neat and tidy they say...
  10. Our planner wanted a chimney too. I wonder what it is about planners and chimneys. On our house the addition of a chimney made the house look like a ferry sailing off to sea. I've built the house without the chimney but if there are ever any questions I can show them that the structure has the base for the chimney so we can add it on in the future. Nothing in the planning rules to say by when you have to finish the build. Anyway, could you do something similar to avoid the chimney yourself? Just an idea like πŸ™‚
  11. Okay, so I'm slowly progressing with this, along with all the other things to juggle while building on your own. Can someone point me in the direction of manufacturers/suppliers for a 300l accumulator suitable for external installation as I'm going to really struggle to get this inside but have an ideal place outside where the mains comes into the house. And also the same for thermal a large 300l thermal store with a secondary return? Internet search algorithms seem to have decided I don't need anything bigger than 250l! MTIA
  12. Cheers for this. I don't used Facebook and I have a pathological allergy to any tech company which decides to outsource the hosting of a forum to somewhere else where they lose control over their data and access. Sorry, I am a bit of a Facebook activist 😊 Thanks to the API link from @James Newport I did actually find another link to a different user and developer forum Shelly has created to move activity away from Facebook, which is a positive move, it's here: . I'll be putting some questions up there soon. I think that's very sensible. Shelly app partially redeemed itself for me the latter part of the weekend, but then on Monday/Tuesday started to go flaky again. It actually started to report humidity and temp readings from 2 sensors I'd disconnected and one I taken apart to look inside! I've just found out from the user forum that if the HT sensor is set to external power supply then it'll report every 10 minutes (well, I'll need to test this πŸ™‚). My experience so far is that the usb powered unit works somewhat better than when it's battery powered and I suspect this is down to energy saving measures. I've found that if the unit goes offline, the usb unit reliably comes back online without a reset but the battery one sometimes needs resetting completely. Re the sleeping issue, there was a note on the forum link above that the HT sensor needs to sleep a lot to stop it from heating up. I've attached a photo where the manual claims that sensor reporting can be set to time intervals. I'll have to ask them where this has gone. It does seem, that as you say, I can only wake the device up physically using the button on the unit. I clearly misinterpreted the warning message I received. I don't. I've taken one of the units apart and think I've identified the humidity sensor on the board. It does look a bit like the sensor component used in some of the DHT22 internals where I've been able to find images, but really can't be sure (I've lost my large magnifying glass so i can't read any of the identifiers on the other compenents either). For my needs to have sensors sitting under the floor, I've now got in some pre wired and caged SHT30 and SHT31s. I'm fitting those into the under floor space and will connect them up to a Pi when I've got more time. This, I think, is the more robust, long term solution. @James Newport you were spot on with your initial assessment that the Shelly sensors probably weren't ideal for my intended use, but they were definitely worth a try for this. Meanwhile, I do have some other needs that they're going to be ideal for, especially heating and lighting control in my wife's garden office, so thanks for the heads up on these!
  13. I have a formula for calculating permitted notching merely at the end of joists in one of my carpentry books. When I've used it, I've always been surprised by how little can be notched even over a short span. FWIW it actually makes me feel sick to see this kind of practise, which is just unacceptable. It really should be redone properly and I sincerely hope you get it resolved.
  14. Just tought I'd post an update in case there's an interest here. Unfortunately, I've not experienced a great introduction to the Shelly stable of IoT πŸ™ I bought 3 of the humidity sensors plus a couple of other items from Shelly and received them during the week. Setup was flaky, requiring several attempts to get them online. Eventually I got them online and placed them in some test locations to see what happened. I wanted to test reporting frequency and wifi capability. 2 of the 3 reported mesasurement for up to about 8 hours, then went to sleep and I had no means of waking them up to change sensor settings or force a report. Then, during the night, they went offline. Interestingly, I had two units placed next to each other and the other unit carried on reporting back. When these units go offline, I could find no way of getting them back online without having to physical reset the units and go through the process of re-adding them to the app and home wifi network and then the cloud. This time it again took several attempts to do it successfully. I've also tried configuring the sensors through their own wifi access point, but they have a tendency to go to sleep while I'm either connecting to them or using the http interface. So now I've placed the sensors in other locations and for 24 hours they been running fine and report at fairly regular intervals. Unfortunately it seems that Shelly have updated the app/http interface and configuration access to the H & T units such that I'm not able to easily set a reporting frequency. In their manual, it shows this option and I wanted to have them report back on a 24 hour basis, but the app and http interface only allows me to set reporting based on temp and humidity change thresholds. The other thing I can't work out is how to wake the things up. When I've tried to change thresholds for temp and humidity the app tells me the sensor will update when it next wakes up or that I can do this manually within the app, but there is no option anywhere in the app or http interface where I can force this (that I've been able to find). I don't think it's the sensors themselves that are the problem, more that it's the app/interface and poor documentation available from Shelly. I can very much see what they're trying to achieve and maybe I just need a bit more time playing around to understand what's going on. I am somewhat wondering if there's a way to hardwire these using the pinout instead, or just going down the route of Raspberry Pi where I've got better access to support and assistance. Meanwhile, I was tempted by Shelly's other offerings so I am playing around with some other ideas - nothing like scope creep! Anyway, work in progress πŸ˜€
  15. Lots of mini cranes out there that could get in there and would be physically smaller than your 14m telehandler.