Crofter Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I was quoted 70p/m for larch cladding back at the end of last year, which I thought was an excellent price- went to the same sawmill for updated quote with the intention of purchasing, and the price comes back at £1.20/m. Ouch! That's a pretty steep increase. Has timber in general gone up a lot in the last few months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 My local BM is reporting rises in timber (and other goods) as a result of the Euro being weak against the pound. I'm sure that some of it is opportunistic to enable price rises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Yes but this is local Scottish Larch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Do timber prices get adjusted because of the seasons. Just thinking that trees are currently growing and people are doing 'outside' building work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 7 hours ago, SteamyTea said: Do timber prices get adjusted because of the seasons. [...] That is a really interesting question. And I wonder where we can get an honest evidence-based answer? Is there a timber price index? Or a Timber Futures market? Something to get your statistical teeth into, Steamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, recoveringacademic said: Is there a timber price index? Or a Timber Futures market? The nearest I can find are two Exchange Traded Funds... WOOD and CUT. http://www.etf.com/WOOD and http://www.etf.com/CUT These track a basket of companies that own forests, process or distribute timber etc. They are global so I suspect they tend to correlate with US house building as that uses a lot of wood. They dipped around the time of the Brexit vote but have recovered since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Ah there is a Lumber futures market.. http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/lumber.aspx?timeframe=1y That's UP about 13% on a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSelfBuild Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Rob looks like we are shelling out £4.90 for our larch per m I had the MD of Russwood on the phone today trying to get his order but he won't budge on price which was closer to £6.00 per m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Holey moley. Is that price for Siberian? What width? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Temp said: That's UP about 13% on a year ago. Won't be long before Steamy piles in with some esoteric argument based on Time Series Analysis and Stochastic Process. And Chi Squared if he's irritated. Lets just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSelfBuild Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 27 minutes ago, Crofter said: Holey moley. Is that price for Siberian? What width? Siberian, grade A/B, dressed finish, 142mm half lap treated with SIOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Ah that's no too bad then! Russwood are treating it for you are they? I'm planning on laying everything out inside the empty building and treating there, in the dry. Still to decide on a treatment option and I am now way over budget on this aspect of the build... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSelfBuild Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 They are indeed, we treated the fascia boards ourselves. I'll get some photos for you ASAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Had a quick look at this: http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/infd-7m2djr And it seems that prices are higher in the Spring, and that they increased a fair amount in 2014/15, but have dropped back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stones Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Is it not just a simple supply / demand issue, higher demand for Scottish timber for other uses (fence boards etc) or less raw timber being processed at this moment in time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) The people with the statistics will be TRADA or the Timber Trades Federation, or possibly a Government Department, or the Research bit of the Forestry Commission or the right college/uni, or perhaps the Scottish Government.TRADA are unlikely to give you free information; TRADA is very commercial - you will get warm fuzzy replies, but they know the value of scarce information. Though I see their members' magazine is available as a download: http://www.trada.co.uk/membership/downloads The TTF journal is called the Timber Trades Journal, and their may be some information therein. Ask your local BM or Timber Merchant if they have a copy. Or there ,may be something on their website if you excavate it. I would expect a seasonal variation, but I have no idea on the pattern. If you can get a hold of a copy of the TRADA Yearbook that might help. One other route *might* be to ask a technical person from your Timber Frame or other supplier (if you have one and they are in TRADA) if they know anythniog or can find information; obviously you won't get data about cladding prices from a cladding supplier. I would also expect prices to stabilise after BREXIT, but it will take some time. Perhaps a local tree and a chap with a porta-mill is your answer, like a less hardcore, outsourced, version of @recoveringacademic ? There may be the right kind of tree lying around somewhere in a treeman's yard or in the corner of a local estate etc. Has anyone here sourced their own cladding from the continent and gone to fetch it with a trailer while on holiday? Or put a classified ad on Arbtalk? One secondary degree indicator I noted was that the Church Commissioners have moved significantly further into Timber investments in 2015, which suggests they detect long term value. They are superb strategic investors with an outlook over up to 50 years or more. Quote The Church Commissioners continued to invest in forestry with two new holdings in Australia, bringing the total holdings to nearly 120,000 acres. The timberland and forestry portfolio delivered a total return of 13% in 2015. Annual Report linked from here: https://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2016/05/church-commissioners-announce-total-2015-return-on-investments-at-82.aspx Ferdinand Edited August 11, 2016 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crofter Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 I've been quoted a much lower price from a local guy-with-a-saw short of outfit, but that leaves me mixing and matching as he cannot supply the smal number of longer lengths that I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) I suppose one also could grow the Trees while waiting for the Planning Permission, or stage an armed robbery at the Morgan factory. Edited August 11, 2016 by Ferdinand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 32 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: [..] or stage an armed robbery at the Morgan factory. I'm yer man for that job. Lived round the corner, know where they store it, know where they get it from , used to burn the off-cuts in the fire. Had a mate who did his apprenticeship there. Last century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Century before last looking at the um, styling, of Morgans. From the Forestry website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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