Tin Soldier Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Evening all subsequent to a fallout with the builder who was going to be doing my drainage and front steps, looks like I’m on my own so drains are in the building and exit concrete slab internally externally I have nothing yet- other than the bits and pieces simple question first my plans show a gulley trap for kitchen sink, and the showers it shows the toilets connecting straight into the waste is this right? Sinks need gulley traps? Even though the wast pipe exits way below ffl thanks scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 yes, correct - sinks & showers have traps to stop poo smells getting into the room while toilets have their own trap - lift the lid and look into a toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They need not be external gully traps. We have traps (u bends) under the sink then down into a 110mm via an adaptor. Then under the floor into a manhole outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvincentd Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, Temp said: They need not be external gully traps. Jeez, thank ek for that, i'm having a crisis of confidence about all aspects of my build currently and that question had me in a right panic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) I think what we have is a 110mm drain that runs down the side of the house to the main. At various points along it we have a 450mm inspection chambers each of which comprises an inspection chamber base, riser and cover. The inspection bases have a straight through path and one or more 110mm branches that feed into it. This sort of thing... http://www.pavingexpert.com/drain05.htm#newic Edited December 3, 2018 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Bathrooms upstairs will normally feed everything into a 110mm stack. The bottom of the stack underground will have a special large radius bend to turn it from vertical to horizontal. From there it runs to an inspection chamber. Showers on the ground floor can be done several ways. The shower tray can be raised on a plinth with a trap underneath or at floor level with a "top access trap". Then the output from the trap is usually either a 40/50mm pipe to a 110mm stack. I believe there are rules on the minimum height difference between the drain outside and the shower trap. This can be an issue if the sewer in the road is quite high or there is a long run from the house to the sewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 hours ago, mvincentd said: [...] I'm having a crisis of confidence about all aspects of my build currently and [...] in a right panic... You, me (and many others) all. Slowly though, I'm finding the more issues I face - often after @Onoff levels of procrastination - the more confident I get at sorting them out. Progress is slow however. For me, it's about persistence: consistent persistence. A good few days each month find me mooning around in avoidance mode. Tired, irritable, grizzly. For me BH is a life-saver. Without it, we'd be in a complete mess, and broke. The worst thing is the lack of control. Many of us are (or recently were) professionally at the top of our games. We know (knew) our stuff. And then we decided to build a house. Knowingly threw ourselves into a whirlpool. How many people would have the balls to do that? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 stupid stupid question the gulley traps do they need the hopper on top as you normally see 40mm waste going into or are the traps buried, with no hopper as the waste pipe exiting the building is 110mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 @mvincentd I had a crisis too, last December before any of the build started I was on the phone with my wife at 9am, from work, crying like a baby believe it or not she told me to quit my job, and forget the build - which gave me the kick up the backside I needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redoctober Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: The worst thing is the lack of control. Many of us are (or recently were) professionally at the top of our games. We know (knew) our stuff. And then we decided to build a house. Knowingly threw ourselves into a whirlpool. How many people would have the balls to do that? So true - well said.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said: [...] crying like a baby believe it or not [...] That's me, four times so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said: stupid stupid question the gulley traps do they need the hopper on top as you normally see 40mm waste going into or are the traps buried, with no hopper as the waste pipe exiting the building is 110mm Needs a picture here. You don’t need to do the traditional waste out of the wall into a gully as long as there is a method to rod or clean the waste from one end. You can take a waste underground if you want but the recommendation is min 50mm and better 110mm. You can also use a bottle trap for the wastes outside - as long as there is a water seal, that is 75mm of standing water in a bend or trap - then smells can’t get into the house or out from the drains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 I had two mins, so here is an excerpt from plans (you can see gulley trap noted at sinks) you can see rodding access then you have my mspaint rough an ready drawing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) If you already have 110mm pipe through the founds for the sinks and showers then you could replace the gully traps with inspection chambers. You would need u-bends under the basins and a trap under the shower as well. Perhaps this would mess up plans for a nice patio? Something like this if the falls are ok.. Notes: I've shown an inspection chamber in the middle as well because personally I wouldn't be happy with the buried "T-junction" and rodding eye shown originally. You may need more blank plugs than I've shown. It depends on how many branches there are on the IC bases. Edited December 4, 2018 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) The 100mm svp in the corner of the bathroom is probably a stack but I just noticed it says "222 (svp)" and "572 (svp)" in the middle. What's that all about? It also says "Foul drainage - see notes" what do they say if anything? Edited December 4, 2018 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi no problem with patio unfortunately I already have rodding eyes,, traps etc, so inspection chambers would add cost - possible I could go ahead and buy them though not sure on the 222, I think that might be wall width as its where two structures meet nothing in the notes of any interest in terms of 'foul drainage; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvincentd Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 9 hours ago, recoveringacademic said: 9 hours ago, Tin Soldier said: [...] crying like a baby believe it or not [...] That's me, four times so far. ...twice just last week but thats only because i managed to resist the inclination the other 14 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Haha well good to hear we’re all in the same boat, I toned it down to once to save face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 14 hours ago, recoveringacademic said: For me, it's about persistence: consistent persistence. A good few days each month find me mooning around in avoidance mode I have exactly this as well, although with a full time job these episodes cant last long or little gets done. Its not wanting to do something (not sure how to do it or it involves hassles or its a big job) that sets me off. Once I start Im normally ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 I find that if I stop, I take a long time to start again. Therefore I cannot stop, every night i'm out there doing something for minimum 3 hours it is difficult with 3 kids under 6, to balance work, build and supporting the wife, but If I don't do it, no one else will... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 There's also that bittersweet feeling when you finish a job, after really getting into it and overcoming the initial procrastination. Then you have to start the next one... BTW, even though our house is now signed off and we've been in it over 2.5 years, the jobs keep coming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Tin Soldier said: (...) it is difficult with 3 kids under 6, to balance work, build and supporting the wife, but If I don't do it, no one else will... Jesus H Christ. That's it, I'm never going to (be able to) moan again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Bitpipe said: (...) BTW, even though our house is now signed off and we've been in it over 2.5 years, the jobs keep coming.... You could have exercised a bit of restraint before writing that.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, recoveringacademic said: You could have exercised a bit of restraint before writing that.... ? Current joy is weeding two front areas prior to turfing & then getting level with soil.. Last week's job was hand placing 5 jumbo bags of white cobbles to the space between wall and house. God knows what next weekend brings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Bitpipe said: BTW, even though our house is now signed off and we've been in it over 2.5 years, the jobs keep coming.... I’ve been in mine 8 years and signed off for exactly a year. Still shit loads to do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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