joe90 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 It’s all about how the machine is set up. The same goes for woodworking, accurate set up (adjusting fences etc) makes a massive difference to performance. IMO.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Onoff said: New blade doesn't sound any different to me really. Were not looking for bloody harmonics ? Cut more tiles, then stick the buggers down ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Back to the shade difference question... I've 16 tiles in this corner to lay something like this: Assuming all the boxes of tiles are the same shade reference / production run, then do I just use them as they come out of the box or do I pick "1 tile from each box" to account for up any shading differences? Or is this less of a problem nowadays? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I never mix batches. Just open the nearest box and whack it down, then go grab the next one and keep going. Just thinking, if these are ceramic then you could easily re-finish the edges with a diamond whetstone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: I never mix batches. Just open the nearest box and whack it down, then go grab the next one and keep going. Just thinking, if these are ceramic then you could easily re-finish the edges with a diamond whetstone. Ta. I was thinking on the same lines to put a slight bevel on the cut edge. It'd maybe take out some of the small chips. The other thing I was thinking was to sacrifice 8 tiles so a cut "tile" on the fall line is in fact made from two good ones. If I go that route thinking I could use the score 'n snap manual Rubi cutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 As long as the tips of the cuts dont snap off then yea. TBH the wet cut and diamond clean up should be less wasteful and be spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 More learning adventures in tiling and a blade recommendation! Searching some tiling forums and ATS Diamond Tools got good comments. I ordered therefore a 180mm / 25.4 blade. Just over the £20 with postage. Comparing to the Atlas Norton one from TS and there's nearly twice as much depth on the cutting edge, around 9mm vs 5mm. The Atlas Norton is 2mm thick and cuts 2.5mm wide. The ATS is 1.5mm and cuts 2mm wide. I also sorted the fence: What can I say, smoother cut, less vibration & minimal chipping on the one side on the up stroke. Also virtually no breakout at the end: The spacers don't quite fit in the cut slot but I'll live with that as the cut is so much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Forget about how it cuts, what sound does it make ? ?? Much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 I figured then if the kids can leave their socks in the dining room floor I could lay out a bit of pb, some tiles and a length of sharp metal. The fact SWMBO's out has nothing to do with it... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 ? Cats away mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) First tile cut! I ditched the fence tbh and did it freehand. Once again @Nickfromwales was right and you CAN cut freehand and follow the line / correct a bit. So, warts and all: A tad off: A ragged rhs edge., hoping a whetstone might ease that edge so I can use both bits of the tile. Looks worse on the photo. The pointy end didn't quite survive: Happy enough with this interface of the 4 tiles: This, where the pointy bits meet will just have to have a bit more grout. The fall line is the diagonal: You can see the fall, as intended. My CAD and angle bead casting frame thing paid off I think: Close up: And the long slope: Beer o'clock now! ...and an M&S curry! Edited July 17, 2018 by Onoff Curry photo added! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Someone point me at a reasonably priced whetstone please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijay Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: I never mix batches. Just open the nearest box and whack it down, then go grab the next one and keep going. Just thinking, if these are ceramic then you could easily re-finish the edges with a diamond whetstone. Hi Nick, How do you do this neatly and how does it compare to a normal tile edge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 don't you need adhesive under those tiles? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Ref a whetstone... The SiL's father was a pattern & die maker for Mollins in Deptford many years ago. I inherited some of the contents of his shed (and in fact the shed but that's another story). Aside from the taps and dies I have various stones: These: And inside: Then this lot: This one seems a bit coarse for dressing the tile edge: But this, used as a flat stone, seems pretty good on the old 6" tiles I first cut: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Onoff said: More learning adventures in tiling and a blade recommendation! I used one of these http://www.vitrex.co.uk/products/diamond-blade-200mm-ultimate/ in one of these http://www.vitrex.co.uk/products/versatile-power-pro-900-bridge-saw/ to do my wetroom floor tiling. Some people have like it and some thought it too fussy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, PeterStarck said: I used one of these http://www.vitrex.co.uk/products/diamond-blade-200mm-ultimate/ in one of these http://www.vitrex.co.uk/products/versatile-power-pro-900-bridge-saw/ to do my wetroom floor tiling. Some people have like it and some thought it too fussy. Nice! Seen that before! Porcelain though? More forgiving / tougher than these ceramic ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Looking good TBH. As these are ceramic you may need to paint the upper part of the cuts as the grout wont stay flush or proud after sponging back. You don't want to see the terracotta. Car spray paint, and it'll cover the bits of breakout too if you mask up well enough. Most instances don't see two cut edges butted up with a groutline so deffo worth considering IMO. "we've come this far !" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: Looking good TBH. As these are ceramic you may need to paint the upper part of the cuts as the grout wont stay flush or proud after sponging back. You don't want to see the terracotta. Car spray paint, and it'll cover the bits of breakout too if you mask up well enough. Most instances don't see two cut edges butted up with a groutline so deffo worth considering IMO. "we've come this far !" Ta. As I say at each "two cut edge butt" one tile is pretty good and the other less so - tb invisible from standing up looking down. That's me trying to save tiles. I have the option, for the sake of 8 tiles to replace the dodgy edge halves with score 'n snapped ones. Would grey "garage" type floor paint applied with an artist's fine brush work? Any particular brand of car spray? Doesn't it come off when you wash the tiles / over time? Lastly, a whetstone, where from? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Piece-Diamond-Knife-Tools-Sharpening-Stone-Set-Fine-Extra-Fine-Coarse-Grade/311816827397?epid=1642502886&hash=item4899bb3205%3Ag%3ASKoAAOSwU-pXvxHh&_sacat=46576&_nkw=diamond+sharpening+stones&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xdiamond+shar.TRS0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Piece-Diamond-Knife-Tools-Sharpening-Stone-Set-Fine-Extra-Fine-Coarse-Grade/311816827397?epid=1642502886&hash=item4899bb3205%3Ag%3ASKoAAOSwU-pXvxHh&_sacat=46576&_nkw=diamond+sharpening+stones&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l2632.R2.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xdiamond+shar.TRS0 Is this much the same? https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p56163? An extra quid but if I'm passing etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 I'm quite pleased with that. Going to play with the Rubi cutter now! Falls good: Was aiming for 13-26mm and it's about 18mm. Level not short enough here really but it falls: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) First cut EVER with the Rubi Practic cutter for the bit in the corner against the mitre: It didn't break perfectly clean as shown by the offcut below. I had to finish it off on the diamond saw: I'd aimed for a 3mm grout gap between the tile edge and Aqua Panel but didn't quite get that! It's pretty much butt tight against the AP. @Nickfromwales is that a problem? Thinking it needs grout in there / an expansion gap? EDIT: I think the tile didn't break cleanly as I had a tile spacer stuck on the Rubi bed! Edited July 19, 2018 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Here's a question all in it's own... What colour grout on the floor? SWMBO had always thought white thinking grey will look dirty. She has just asked if anybody on the forum has any thoughts on the subject. Wonders never cease! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) I always worry about white going grey in places and looking dirty and patchy , at least grey all over is less likely to show a little “dirt”. As the tiles look grey how about charcoal so the grout lines stand out? Edited July 18, 2018 by joe90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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