Looks like the party is over....

[marshian]

5 minutes ago, Nestor said:

As long as its a recyclable box.

 

Does flammable count as recycling?

[JamesPa]

8 hours ago, marshian said:

 

Does flammable count as recycling?

Only if the heat is captured and put to good use. 

 

I recall a fuss a few years ago because a council was proposing to capture 'waste' heat from their crem to heat the adjacent swimming pool.  I dont actually know if the proposal went ahead or not.

Edited yesterday at 08:16 by JamesPa

[Beelbeebub]

13 hours ago, JamesPa said:

Sadly it wont. 

 

You can't possibly allow facts and figures spoil an ideological argument, or an opportunity to bash the government  whatever the colour, or declare civil servants incompetent.

 

For the avoidance of doubt your argument in incontrovertible, but apparently that no longer matters.

Sadly you are probably right that this argument will keep popping up. 

 

Still, feel free to quote that post back at them. 

[SteamyTea]

3 hours ago, JamesPa said:

I dont actually know if the proposal went ahead or not

It didn't.

[Beelbeebub]

Just for completeness here is a graph of oil & gas production (hence the hugher BoE numbers) production from an oil and gas consultancy that errs on the high side of things. 

 

As you can see it still shows a big drop even with discoveries and prospects included. 

 

[SteamyTea]

There are a number of different reviews about world energy, EIA, OPEC  BP, Petroleum, all are within a fraction of each other.

Makes it easy to see the Venezuela has more proven reserves/resources that anyone else.

 

The trouble with all these reviews is that many people do not want to believe them. Those people cannot be helped.

[Oz07]

On 26/11/2025 at 17:35, Crofter said:

And the biggest ticket item is the triple lock. But pensioners actually get out and vote, so there's no way any realistic government is going to touch them.

We should remove universal suffrage and only allow votes based on whether you are a net contributor to society. 

 

16 year olds now. Too young to buy fags or have a drink but get a say in how the country is run. What next primary school pupils. 

[SteamyTea]

12 minutes ago, Oz07 said:

only allow votes based on whether you are a net contributor to society. 

"No taxation without representation"

 

Or

 

"No representation without taxation" Alan B'Stard

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by SteamyTea

[Crofter]

22 minutes ago, Oz07 said:

We should remove universal suffrage and only allow votes based on whether you are a net contributor to society. 

 

16 year olds now. Too young to buy fags or have a drink but get a say in how the country is run. What next primary school pupils. 

I take a polar opposite view. 

Everybody should be able to vote. Even prisoners. Votes determine the government, and the government should always be accountable.

[Oz07]

11 hours ago, Crofter said:

I take a polar opposite view. 

Everybody should be able to vote. Even prisoners. Votes determine the government, and the government should always be accountable.

The problem is everyone just votes themselves the money. Recent immigrants will never vote for less immigration, pensioners will never vote against the triple lock, scroungers will never vote for the 2 child benefit cap. 

 

The way I see pensioners could still be net contributors to the state. And those that aren't should accept that their 40 or 50 year period of contributing and voting is over. 

 

Anyway im taking this off topic sorry. 

[SteamyTea]

10 minutes ago, Oz07 said:

scroungers

Define 'scroungers'.

 

Seems the over 65s are currently the biggest contributors to income tax.

https://ifs.org.uk/data-items/share-adult-population-paying-income-tax-age-bracket

 

Edited 38 minutes ago by SteamyTea

[Oz07]

24 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Define 'scroungers'.

 

Seems the over 65s are currently the biggest contributors to income tax.

They will get to vote then. 

 

Scroungers in my view is any working aged adult who is a consistent net drain on society. Including those with anxiety and other spurious disability claims.