Pocster Posted Thursday at 14:41 Posted Thursday at 14:41 As I argue with the council over an epc on another property I decided to check mine on my build . It’s a laugh isn’t it . With zero extra work inbetween …. initially a D ( wanted low for the MCs ASHP grant ) . Then a B for bco sign off Now an A ! - after correcting errors - waiting for exact score . Near passive standard without the passive costs !
JohnMo Posted Thursday at 14:54 Posted Thursday at 14:54 Gee that's good. What renewables do you have to get that score? 1
Pocster Posted Thursday at 14:56 Author Posted Thursday at 14:56 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JohnMo said: Gee that's good. What renewables do you have to get that score? Well ! The systems unfair as ASHP , batteries , mvhr don’t count as renewables . So it’s just a 7.9kw pv array Edited Thursday at 14:57 by Pocster
Pocster Posted Thursday at 14:59 Author Posted Thursday at 14:59 I could actually improve it . I added an extra 25mm to the roof insulation ( it’s not shown on the sap ) . So I could get a new epc done and get a higher score - but not really worth it . I do like this also
JohnMo Posted Thursday at 15:11 Posted Thursday at 15:11 11 minutes ago, Pocster said: unfair as ASHP , batteries , mvhr don’t count as renewables It all nonsense really. ASHP should lower CO2 by a factor of 3 to 4, but MVHR is sort of accounted for by reduced heating demand. 1
Pocster Posted Thursday at 15:12 Author Posted Thursday at 15:12 Just now, JohnMo said: It all nonsense really. ASHP should lower CO2 by a factor of 3 to 4, but MVHR is sort of accounted for by reduced heating demand. I agree . I think what’s really bad is that batteries count as zero on an epc .
SteamyTea Posted Thursday at 15:25 Posted Thursday at 15:25 27 minutes ago, Pocster said: The systems unfair as ASHP , batteries , mvhr don’t count as renewables Why unfair? Those technologies do not generate power on their own.
Bramco Posted Thursday at 15:51 Posted Thursday at 15:51 21 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Those technologies do not generate power on their own. No but they do get you top of the class in other respects. To date this year our energy provider owes us about £5. All electric, almost passive house, PV, MVHR, ASHP and batteries. Our EPC is A with a 100 score, which I think we could get higher by getting them to use a more recent EPC version. But it's crazy that all the technology that makes for a comfortable energy efficient home isn't properly taken into account in the EPC/SAP system....
Onoff Posted Thursday at 16:16 Posted Thursday at 16:16 1 hour ago, Pocster said: passive Well passive submissive... 1 1
Pocster Posted Thursday at 16:18 Author Posted Thursday at 16:18 52 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Why unfair? Those technologies do not generate power on their own. Batteries can store solar or off peak then export . Do they ‘generate’ power no - but clearly they reduce running costs same as PV or indeed more insulation ; clearly beneficial . Epc has many flaws this is one of them
SteamyTea Posted Thursday at 16:23 Posted Thursday at 16:23 Isn't an EPC to do with reducing energy usage, which has the side benefit that is also reduced CO2 emissions. I agree that the system is not perfect, but it has been around long enough that we know how it works.
Pocster Posted Thursday at 16:29 Author Posted Thursday at 16:29 4 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Isn't an EPC to do with reducing energy usage, which has the side benefit that is also reduced CO2 emissions. I agree that the system is not perfect, but it has been around long enough that we know how it works. Governments been lobbied for some time to include batteries and ‘smart’ systems . A battery would reduce energy usage from the grid hence co2 . Essentially the epc system isn’t really fit for purpose as it’s so flawed even “ as is “ .
nod Posted Thursday at 16:47 Posted Thursday at 16:47 Well done As you say Sap and EPC arnt fit for purpose More box ticking Thankfully hardly anyone buys a house with this in mind 1
Pocster Posted Thursday at 16:59 Author Posted Thursday at 16:59 10 minutes ago, nod said: Well done As you say Sap and EPC arnt fit for purpose More box ticking Thankfully hardly anyone buys a house with this in mind I know . But at some point when we sell our house I’ll add 50k on for the epc A premium 😊
SteamyTea Posted Thursday at 17:06 Posted Thursday at 17:06 14 minutes ago, nod said: Thankfully hardly anyone buys a house with this in mind Why should they when a stern letter to the Daily Telegraph, or a badly informed one to the Daily Mail, will get policy changed to more fossil fuel burners and higher prices. Only got to see how a small group of right-wingers has got control of the EU climate committee this week to see what damage can be done. Don't let the better be the enemy of the best 1
marshian Posted Thursday at 18:53 Posted Thursday at 18:53 Hopping on the conversation - does anyone know what the scores are for all aspects of EPC assessment - I've googled a few times and not had a decent hit?
SteamyTea Posted Thursday at 19:10 Posted Thursday at 19:10 (edited) 17 minutes ago, marshian said: does anyone know what the scores are for all aspects of EPC assessment It may be hidden here: https://bregroup.com/expertise/energy/sap/sap10 It is a rdSAP standard, so this document. https://bregroup.com/documents/d/bre-group/rdsap-10-specification-10-06-2025 Edited Thursday at 19:11 by SteamyTea 1
nod Posted Thursday at 19:31 Posted Thursday at 19:31 2 hours ago, Pocster said: I know . But at some point when we sell our house I’ll add 50k on for the epc A premium 😊 Not a chance I made the mistake of showing buyers round at our previous build All professionals I pointed out the high levels of insulation The efficiency of the heating system Sap report etc Only one was remotely interested Schools M2 Kitchen -bathrooms Price In various orders Good to do it for our own satisfaction
MikeSharp01 Posted Thursday at 19:43 Posted Thursday at 19:43 10 minutes ago, nod said: M2 Why the M2 surely that is hundreds of miles from you. Good for me though.
nod Posted Thursday at 20:07 Posted Thursday at 20:07 22 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said: Why the M2 surely that is hundreds of miles from you. Good for me though. Perhaps it was wishful thinking As I’ve been stuck at home taking it easy after my op When I feel absolutely fine Trip down the M2 would definitely do the trick 😁
SteamyTea Posted Thursday at 20:16 Posted Thursday at 20:16 44 minutes ago, nod said: M2 Bankers were they.
ProDave Posted Thursday at 20:51 Posted Thursday at 20:51 3 hours ago, Pocster said: I know . But at some point when we sell our house I’ll add 50k on for the epc A premium 😊 In your dreams. It would put some people off. A friend of swmbo was house hunting, they had the chance of a semi detached house with solar PV at the original FIT rate, and also had a paddock behind it. They withdrew from the purchase after the surveyor warned the PV panels may affect the integrity of the roof, and the paddock was outwith the village boundary and in green belt so they could "never do anything with it"
nod Posted Thursday at 21:09 Posted Thursday at 21:09 14 minutes ago, ProDave said: In your dreams. It would put some people off. A friend of swmbo was house hunting, they had the chance of a semi detached house with solar PV at the original FIT rate, and also had a paddock behind it. They withdrew from the purchase after the surveyor warned the PV panels may affect the integrity of the roof, and the paddock was outwith the village boundary and in green belt so they could "never do anything with it" You do come across that quite often Our buyers have had full PV on our beautiful slate roof I saw them fitting the PV walking all over the slates not a cat ladder in sight
Thorfun Posted yesterday at 07:42 Posted yesterday at 07:42 16 hours ago, Pocster said: BOOM ! 108 😊 Once again @Pocster you lose 😝 1
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