Pocster Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I had some fail on my temp kitchen ( only about 2 yrs old ) they came with a cheap tap so perhaps to be expected . Someone I know recently had one split on the hot feed to the bath - causing a flood …. So ! As I fit my new kitchen I wonder/ worry about them . You can buy one for 5 quid or 30 quid . Is there any variation in quality for price ? . Google tells me life span is 5 to 10 yrs . Not very reassuring . Or do I just install , be damned , just hope I remember to inspect every 12 months ….. 🫤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattg4321 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Or don’t use them at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuerteStu Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 5 to 10 years? 🤔 Maybe they're confusing lifespan with guarantee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 (edited) Who knows . But it worries me after 2 known incidents. I could get the copper rigid tails and then do the end to my Hep2o … Edited January 21 by Pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 What’s a hotel with 500 rooms do ? Flexi tails failing left ,right and centre ; flood every day ? Hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Pocster said: What’s a hotel with 500 rooms do ? Flexi tails failing left ,right and centre ; flood every day ? Yes, pretty much. I did some work in a hotel once and there was at least one connector failing every month, sometimes every week, even more than one on the same day. I recommended replacing the lot, but the budget wouldn't stretch that far. Cheaper to repair the damage. Personally I no longer use or specify them, except the ones that are safely fitted inside a WC cistern. It's easy to avoid them - you can readily buy rigid copper tails to fit monobloc taps, and just use regular pipe connectors elsewhere. See also Faulty hoses dampening Australian households. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberrys Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The only ones I have ever seen fail haven't been installed correctly...kinked or with too tight a radius bend. Causes the steel fibres to rub against the plastic inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I was going to ask what the typical failure is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Mike said: Yes, pretty much. I did some work in a hotel once and there was at least one connector failing every month, sometimes every week, even more than one on the same day. I recommended replacing the lot, but the budget wouldn't stretch that far. Cheaper to repair the damage. Wow ! What a nightmare 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Huckleberrys said: The only ones I have ever seen fail haven't been installed correctly...kinked or with too tight a radius bend. Causes the steel fibres to rub against the plastic inside. Is there a particular brand / type that is ‘better’ regardless of price ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I too have had them fail and would not used them again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 What is it that fails other than poor installation as above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Kelvin said: What is it that fails other than poor installation as above? No doubt poor installation can be a problem, particularly with DIYers, but it wasn't apparent in those I saw that had failed. They'd just split somewhere along their length. I imagine that each time the tap is turned off there's a shockwave that runs through the pipe which stresses it. Repeat enough and it may eventually burst. 3 hours ago, Pocster said: Is there a particular brand / type that is ‘better’ regardless of price ? None that I'd buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mike said: No doubt poor installation can be a problem, particularly with DIYers, but it wasn't apparent in those I saw that had failed. They'd just split somewhere along their length. I imagine that each time the tap is turned off there's a shockwave that runs through the pipe which stresses it. Repeat enough and it may eventually burst. None that I'd buy. So those copper rods then ? . Is the connection end ‘ standard ‘ I.e simply fits in a Hep2o connector . Unfortunately I can only do this on the kitchen taps ( others are to restricted and must be flexi hoses ) like these ? Edited January 22 by Pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yes the straight end is 15mm copper so will go into hep20 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, markc said: Yes the straight end is 15mm copper so will go into hep20 I’ll give ‘em a whirl 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfun Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 finally, a useful thread from @Pocster with information i can use. 😜 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, markc said: Yes the straight end is 15mm copper so will go into hep20 One issue I’ve got is by bad luck ( or incompetence ) those copper tails I assume have zero bend . As you can see my tap inlets are just inline with the cabinet side . Once I add the Hep2o fitting I’m going to be straining them . Do I worry ? . Or just cut that slot down much further in the unit so copper tails and Hep2o have a bit of room ? I.e no strain on the copper as nice and vertical . Needless to say no issue if I use flexi’s Edited January 22 by Pocster Bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I'm not particularly prone to worrying, but now I have another thing to avoid worrying about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Alan Ambrose said: I'm not particularly prone to worrying, but now I have another thing to avoid worrying about. I wasn’t either ! . I had some flex’s disintegrate on my temp sink kitchen tap ( only 2 yrs old ) . I’d forgot about that . But Friday a friend said they got in their bath turned off the hot and heard a pop as the flexi split - naturally flooding their bathroom . So - Now I worry about flooding my nice new kitchen. Also you’re going to worry . Bet @Thorfun is worried also . Might have to start a new “ Worried and scared “ thread . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 @Alan Ambrose here you go ; so you don’t sleep tonight - look at the state on them ! With no obvious cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Pocster said: One issue I’ve got is by bad luck ( or incompetence ) those copper tails I assume have zero bend . As you can see my tap inlets are just inline with the cabinet side . Once I add the Hep2o fitting I’m going to be straining them . Do I worry ? . Or just cut that slot down much further in the unit so copper tails and Hep2o have a bit of room ? I.e no strain on the copper as nice and vertical . Needless to say no issue if I use flexi’s You can ease a bend into them, don’t try to bend the 15mm bit even with a spring or you can distort the end that’s going into the hep20. Gently bend the thinner section/s. If you have a small tube bender even better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, markc said: You can ease a bend into them, don’t try to bend the 15mm bit even with a spring or you can distort the end that’s going into the hep20. Gently bend the thinner section/s. If you have a small tube bender even better Now I saw this on YouTube . But … all sounds like work and possible failure . Cutting a chunk out the unit is ‘safer ‘ I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Pocster said: Now I saw this on YouTube . But … all sounds like work and possible failure . Cutting a chunk out the unit is ‘safer ‘ I think Not as hard as you may think, drill a hole in a piece of timber, 20-25mm thick and then use drill to bell the hole (get rid of the sharp edge) put tube through hole and lever gently … old sparkles way of bending conduits etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) 14 minutes ago, markc said: Not as hard as you may think, drill a hole in a piece of timber, 20-25mm thick and then use drill to bell the hole (get rid of the sharp edge) put tube through hole and lever gently … old sparkles way of bending conduits etc. Hmmm . But I’ve really got to S bend the top haven’t I . A bend to pull the copper across away from the cabinet then a bend to get it vertical again . Space is tight there with the sink . I’ll (expletive deleted) the unit apart skill required = negligible 👍 Edited January 22 by Pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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