Octopus "Saving Sessions"

[JohnMo]

No I think they have their own network or sits on another similar to a mobile phone.

[SteamyTea]

13 minutes ago, markc said:

Don’t all smart meters connect through the property Wi-Fi

https://www.smartme.co.uk/smets-2.html

 

2/3G via O₂ (wonder if you can get the SIM out and make some calls).

 

[SteamyTea]

21 minutes ago, JohnMo said:

Oops should of been 1.5 miles

Embracing BRSXIT to the full nine yards.

[Ronny]

25 minutes ago, markc said:

Don’t all smart meters connect through the property Wi-Fi ?

my octopus meter does … well occasionally but I don’t monitor it anyway

Only the in home display works through wi-fi. I am also with octopus.

[markc]

33 minutes ago, Ronny said:

Only the in home display works through wi-fi. I am also with octopus.

I don’t have a display 

[JohnMo]

45 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Embracing BRSXIT to the full nine yards.

 

Yep, filling my car in litres, calculate consumption in mpg, and distance travelled in miles, while monitoring temperature in degrees C and building a house in millimetres.

 

And paying for things in pounds and pence instead of shilling and Grote's etc.

[NSS]

As 5pm arrives we're using 135 Watts 

[jack]

4 minutes ago, NSS said:

As 5pm arrives we're using 135 Watts 

 

As 5pm ticks over, we're using something like 1.3 kW, which is more than we've used all day.

 

I'm working on something urgent for a client, so I can't turn my PC off.

 

Also, my wife has suddenly decided that now is the time to get the house ready for family coming over on Friday(!), so there's cooking, vacuuming and god-knows what else is going on in the background. I know better than to object.

[NSS]

And putting the MVHR into standby takes us down to 111 Watts.

Edited November 15, 2022 by NSS

[jack]

14 minutes ago, NSS said:

And putting the MVHR into standby takes us down to 111 Watts.

 

My wife just turned on the dryer.

And the washing machine.

 

I am not joking.

[NSS]

2 minutes ago, jack said:

 

My wife just turned on the dryer.

And the washing machine.

 

I am not joking.

And I thought my missus was rebellious 🤣

[jack]

6 minutes ago, NSS said:

And I thought my missus was rebellious 🤣

 

I mentioned that her timing was terrible and she said that "at least the house is clean" and asked if I wanted to turn to dryer off.

 

I mean, we did discuss this yesterday, so she was aware it was going on.

[NSS]

17 minutes ago, jack said:

 

I mentioned that her timing was terrible and she said that "at least the house is clean" and asked if I wanted to turn to dryer off.

 

I mean, we did discuss this yesterday, so she was aware it was going on.

I boiled the kettle at 4.57, made Mrs NSS a cuppa, passed the phone and left her to chat to her mother 😉

 

Edited to add; and the bonus is a 1 degree increase in room temperature due to all the hot air 😀 

Edited November 15, 2022 by NSS

[NSS]

And breathe....

[Nick Thomas]

~120-180W throughout, except for that bit where I came downstairs to turn off the heat pump and discovered the toaster was on.

 

Left the TV alone but did turn off the mains to the laptops and made do with a single screen for the final hour of work, which got me 30W or so. Had no interest in turning off the fridge or the vampire loads. Will see what octopus makes of it within a few days, I suppose.

[Nick Thomas]

House temperature dropped by <0.2°C if the thermostat is to be believed, we do get some losses through draughts. It might have been vaguely uncomfortable if the session had been 3 hours long.

 

Replacement front door will hopefully help with that, it's coming thu//fri.

[Nick Thomas]

8 hours ago, Kelvin said:

It’s more about incremental gains multiplied by potentially millions of people. We are too used to waste in wealthier countries whether it’s energy, water, food, or packaging. Add in the amount of unnecessary stuff people buy from clothes to electronic tat. This has been driven by low inflation and cheap money. Obviously the two extremes at either end of wealth curve still exist so the well off don’t need to cut back anywhere (luxury goods don’t tend to suffer in a recession) and the poor struggle to survive. 
 

As a very minimum if people think twice about their energy usage it won’t be such a bad thing in the long run. 

 

In this case, ~200K people with octopus, plus however many with the other suppliers. Call it a million, tentatively. If they average a turndown of 1kW each, it means 1GW of plant can be left off, which isn't bad considering total generation right now is 39GW. Even half of that is not to be sneezed at.

 

I just think the incentives are skewiff. Rewarding the most gluttonous for being slightly less gluttonous on occasion is... not ideal.

[SteamyTea]

18 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said:

it means 1GW of plant can be left off

That will be a couple of gas plants changed over to spinning reserves, rather than actually switched off.

If we stopped milking cows at the two peak periods we would save the same (ish, it takes 1 kWh/day to milk a cow and we have around a million of them being milked every day).  Turning off 40 million, energy efficient fridges (8W), for an hour, would save about 320 MWh.

Would have to get that back though.

Using 1 litre of fuel a week less in all the cars would save 33.5 GWh a day.

So we can see where the real savings are

[Kelvin]

40 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said:

 

In this case, ~200K people with octopus, plus however many with the other suppliers. Call it a million, tentatively. If they average a turndown of 1kW each, it means 1GW of plant can be left off, which isn't bad considering total generation right now is 39GW. Even half of that is not to be sneezed at.

 

I just think the incentives are skewiff. Rewarding the most gluttonous for being slightly less gluttonous on occasion is... not ideal.

Remember that this is a trial. Load balancing will become an ever more integral part of how the grid is managed. 

[SteamyTea]

13 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

Remember that this is a trial. Load balancing will become an ever more integral part of how the grid is managed. 

Yes, and we cannot read too much into the results.

The main reason to have load balancing is to improve efficiency of our existing fossil fuel stock and integrate renewables into the system, it is not to give individuals a small cash bonus (equivalent to 2 cigarettes a day).

 

[Nick Thomas]

Better than I thought, anyway:

 

 

It'll all go towards paying for the battery.

[SteamyTea]

13 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said:

Better than I thought, anyway:

 

 

It'll all go towards paying for the battery.

You would have thought they would have had a point equalling a penny, rather than 0.125p.

[Nick Thomas]

Eight octopoints to the penny, 12 pennies to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. 21 to a guinea, obvs.

 

 

[SteamyTea]

26 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said:

Eight octopoints to the penny, 12 pennies to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. 21 to a guinea, obvs.

 

 

I like threepenny bits.

[Radian]

7 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

I like threepenny bits.

Like after you've eaten your Donkey Kebabs?