canalsiderenovation Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I need to make a decision quickly as our electrician is doing first fix. The bl00dy kitchen extraction. Don't want any, never used it, building regs say we have to. The main issue is our hob area is smack bang in between the flat ceiling and pitched extension (you won't see the beam). See where I've drawn that blue line and the start of the red one. That's where the worktop with the hob in it will start so if we had a ceiling one fitted info the flat ceiling part it wouldn't quite be directly over the hob. Option 2 is to just get something like this which is more powerful which I know we have to have if it isn't above the hob and would meet building regs and just put it in the middle of the flat ceiling kitchen area. https://www.airflow.com/Product-Detail/pg_V/iCON-Range/72591701/iCON-60 Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Downdraft extractor that either recirculates or vents through the wall at low level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Conor said: Downdraft extractor that either recirculates or vents through the wall at low level? Will that satisfy BRegs? Extraction needs to extract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Why the hatred for extraction? I’d want that to get cooking smells out, plus any excess heat / steam / humidity when doing the Sunday roast. Otherwise that’ll find it’s way into your nice shiny new home....... Id go in the ceiling and either duct out or punch out through the roof. Shortest route is always best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Will that satisfy BRegs? Extraction needs to extract. I've assumed there is an MVHR of some sort as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 You want an standard cooker hood hanging down from the flat ceiling, and extracting out through the roof probably at the eaves. Use rigid ducting not that lousy flexible stuff that WILL fill up with condensation and sag. All your electrician needs to do is install a power feed to that area, Someone, which might be your electircian needs to install the duct before the ceiling goes up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Conor said: I've assumed there is an MVHR of some sort as well. No we don't unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ProDave said: You want an standard cooker hood hanging down from the flat ceiling, and extracting out through the roof probably at the eaves. Yes but would it look odd as it wouldn't be directly over the hob as the worktop with the hob is only partly on the flat ceiling, the majority of it is on the pitched bit. Would something like this be ok https://www.klarstein.co.uk/Home-appliances/Cooker-hoods/Substructure-cooker-hood/Remy-Ceiling-Hood-Substructure-Hood-90-cm-EEK-A-620-m-h-Touch-LED-Glass-Black-Without-replacement-filter.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I think a rethink of the kitchen layout might be in order. treat the problem as a whole. You know you need an extractor above the hob, so perhaps the hob is not in the best place? Another solution might be to centre the extractor slightly to the right of the beam, that will make dropping the duct down to it easier, and then just frame in a little bit of the vaulted ceiling so a bit more of it is flat to accommodate the hood and a little bit less is open all the way to the roof? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 How about fit it into the face of the flat panel ..?? Extract doesn’t need to be an extractor, and you could put a slot extract above the beam linked to a high power fan mounted in the roof space. That would mean you have a discrete extraction that doesn’t look like an extractor and is done at reasonable cost. This is the sort of thing I’m thinking https://www.troxuk.co.uk/downloads/385b17d652ec5b84/00266311_0.pdf?type=product_info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerahill Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, canalsiderenovation said: Don't want any, never used it, building regs say we have to. Our old kitchen had a recirculation type extractor, waste of time and space, I always envied those who had a proper extraction system as I knew the benefits of the system. Now we have our new kitchen in the new extension I have my extraction hood, brilliant. Comes in handy for more than just cooking. I sometimes use it to drag air through from the open dining room window and ventilate the whole space - close the door a bit and you can feel the blast of fresh air breeze past. I know this also means in the winter that I am loosing warm air but we have a bit of a glut of heat in our home so I can live with that. We cook every meal from scratch so boiling water and cooking food is a daily occurrence, great being able to stand in the kitchen and look out the window on a cold evening with large volumes of steam being dealt with and not a single bead of condensation on the windows and doors. There really are so many benefits, I dare say if you don't cook then the benefits may be lost on you. Why not go for a semi-suspended hood and duct out the wall behind. Edited October 9, 2020 by Carrerahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, ProDave said: I think a rethink of the kitchen layout might be in order. treat the problem as a whole. You know you need an extractor above the hob, so perhaps the hob is not in the best place? Another solution might be to centre the extractor slightly to the right of the beam, that will make dropping the duct down to it easier, and then just frame in a little bit of the vaulted ceiling so a bit more of it is flat to accommodate the hood and a little bit less is open all the way to the roof? Too late for that! I'd rather not design the kitchen around an extractor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, PeterW said: How about fit it into the face of the flat panel ..?? Extract doesn’t need to be an extractor, and you could put a slot extract above the beam linked to a high power fan mounted in the roof space. That would mean you have a discrete extraction that doesn’t look like an extractor and is done at reasonable cost. This is the sort of thing I’m thinking https://www.troxuk.co.uk/downloads/385b17d652ec5b84/00266311_0.pdf?type=product_info Hmm that could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 So we have been doing some searching into finding the smallest and most inconspicuous looking extractor. In the end we wondered if something like this would be suitable to go into the ceiling. It wouldn't be exactly over the hob, probably only over a quarter of it because the hob is part way between the pitched ceiling and flat ceiling but this extractor is very slim and only 300*350 and just in case we do decide we need to cook greasy food we have an extractor (although our hob is bigger I see no reason to go for the larger measurements). I'm hoping this would be fairly inconspicuous. https://luxairhoods.com/ceiling-cooker-hoods-slimline/powerful-slimline-ceiling-cooker-hood-white 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 That's a lot of money for not a lot of extractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, ProDave said: That's a lot of money for not a lot of extractor. I know, may be able to get it a bit cheaper but it's the smallest, most discrete one I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Wow! i think i would be finding a unit that had a suitable face plate and filters etc, cutting away all the unwanted collector box and fitting it into a bespoke box that worked with the space i had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) Our one other option is to just go for a fan on a different wall like this which meets building regs. It would certainly save us a bit of money https://www.tradingdepot.co.uk/airflow-icon-60-centrifugal-extractor-fan-suitable-for-bathrooms-utility-rooms We have had this before and it's quite good as it open and closes automatically with the PIR/humidity module. I'm sure I saw another user on here had one in their kitchen but I can't remember who it was. Edited October 16, 2020 by canalsiderenovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav_P Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 How about a down draft extractor in the worktop? Or built into the hob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Worth looking at Klarstein extractors https://www.klarstein.co.uk/Home-appliances/Cooker-hoods/Substructure-cooker-hood/High-Line-Ceiling-Hood-77cm-410-m3-h-75W-3-Steps-Remote-Control-Black-77-cm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gav_P said: How about a down draft extractor in the worktop? Or built into the hob? We have an ex display kitchen purchased and it has a hob built in and to be honest I wasn't a fan of these and don't want to purchase an alternative hob or start cutting out worktops/units to make it work. We wanted to make it less noticeable. 1 minute ago, PeterW said: Worth looking at Klarstein extractors https://www.klarstein.co.uk/Home-appliances/Cooker-hoods/Substructure-cooker-hood/High-Line-Ceiling-Hood-77cm-410-m3-h-75W-3-Steps-Remote-Control-Black-77-cm.html We looked at this one but it's only in black not white and a bit bigger than what we would like. I'm just tempted to go with the fan than pay a few hundreds of pounds more for something we will never use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Don’t forget fans are big holes in the wall ..! Back draft and other types of iris seals are really important in this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, PeterW said: Don’t forget fans are big holes in the wall ..! Back draft and other types of iris seals are really important in this situation I know this can be an issue. One plus of this fan we found in our last house was that it opens and closes up after use. It was a replacement for a previous fan and we really noticed a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 In that case I would put one of these in the ceiling with a short duct off the back through the wall. https://www.airflow.com/Product-Detail/mixed_flow_fan1/iCON-60-Fans/72591701/iCON-60 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalsiderenovation Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, PeterW said: In that case I would put one of these in the ceiling with a short duct off the back through the wall. https://www.airflow.com/Product-Detail/mixed_flow_fan1/iCON-60-Fans/72591701/iCON-60 Yep that's the one I'm looking at and we had previously (I think it was the Icon 30 though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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