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UFH Running Too Expensive. Need help with settings
JohnMo replied to Maurog's topic in Underfloor Heating
Let's step back a little How do you pay for your energy is it via a heat meter? Think I see one on the top of first photo on the left. You can use the heat meter to help set up the system, it will tell you flow rate, instant kW, and dT. So use this as a performance monitor. You need to pulling as little kW in as you can get away with. I would be doing it all low and slow, running UFH at 60 - not sure. I assume hot water comes in through a plate heat exchanger? And you pay based on how much energy is extracted via the plate exchanger? -
You need to be careful with voltage drop on the AC side. The inverter can trip if grid voltage is high and you have a voltage drop. You are better taking the voltage drop on the DC side. Turn into a shed, then it's not a ground mount array.
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
It's doable and works. Ran the gas boiler hydraulically separate via a large 40 plate PHE. Control was outside the heat pump, so heat pump and boiler ran their own control. I had mine set to do gas at about 5 degs when defrosts start to happen. So at 5 degs when the compressor cycled the flow temp was low enough for the gas boiler to step in. From that point the the gas boiler ran. I did hybrid DHW all the time, so 210L cylinder with a max flow temp of 60 from the boiler, with a very low ramp rate set in the boiler. Heated cylinder in 20 to 30 mins. During the cylinder heating the ASHP and gas boiler would slowly ramp up together. Downside on any decent electric tariff you have a cost penalty - running costs are lower even at cold outside temp, its close to zero all day today, so in the defrost zone and average CoP including DHW is 3.4, paying 14.33p per kWh, is still only 4.2p per kWh. Yesterday would have been an all gas day on the hybrid system and the costs would have been about double compared heat pump (on Cosy and battery). Gas I assume is about 7p and you have a standing charge to pay. So no longer have gas connected - just isn't worth it. -
That sounds good until you read the rules "Shading must be avoided" how do you avoid shade on the west panels in the morning?
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Some have a option to add ventilation and air mixing to manage humidity. More to stop air drying out too much, rather than ventilation. -
If doing that on two roofs, the amps produced follows the lowest output panel, so if you had a side in shade and the other in the sun, output of whole system would be equal to the shade side. You can get around it with optimisers, but not fully. Each side of roof needs it's own MTTP. Plenty of cheap string inverters with 2x MTTPs. City Plumbing is my go to, for solar.
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Nothing be careful with price, current adverts look more expensive than new for panels. I have a fully second hand system and bought a inverter the same as the the one above (just slightly bigger) second hand, no issues. cool energy do a diverter, it will drive two immersions one after the other. Other brand tags for the same item, selling lots cheaper, so do an image search - may have to wait for it come from China.
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Just run a timer. Octopus offer a similar tariff to cosy for storage heaters. Nothing wrong with a smart meter, saving me a fortune now it's up and running. My heart bleeds at the 75p per kWh generated whether exported or used. Madness they get that much. -
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Resistive heating via a storage heater, is a good solution for many properties, especially if the electric price drops. A passivhaus with low heating energy use a simple solution. -
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
The reports aren't really saying scrapped, going back to the first first post of this thread and the links article "The move will mean restricting heat-pump subsidies so that only those receiving certain benefits will be allowed to claim them, sharply bringing down costs to the government" So adding an element of means testing - your rich enough you don't get the grant. Suspect the same will be true A2A etc also. -
Aren't there are only 4 MC4 connectors per string that aren't factory made. The panels just daisy chain together using factory connections. Then you have the +/- leads to inverter. So you need to make up 4 connectors in total. More strings equal more connections.
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Ask others? Are you talking to them? Phone them.
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mesh size for external MVHR intake
JohnMo replied to Tom's topic in Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery (MVHR)
How often do you inspect - if it's that bad, maybe up the inspection and replace frequency? Small mesh can equal frozen inlet in winter or an issue you need a ladder or scaffolding to fix -
You experience the ventilation heat loss on heating days only. Plus you experience it based on dT between and outside, not a set figure every day. Plus if you do demand based the ventilation heat loss is proportional to actual demand, not a steady state.
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Some better looking stuff on here https://www.aereco.co.uk/products/air-inlets-uk/eht2/
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https://www.bpdstore.co.uk/glidevale-fresh-99hdb-humidity-sensitive-acoustic-wall-ventilator/p/232 The first one I came across
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You can buy then with acoustic sound deadening as well.
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
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JohnMo replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Gee, the discussion above in this thread says the normal consumer has little or idea of any technical aspects of a heating system. So why would you want to give them something to fiddle with, which will ultimately end with no heating being available, when they get it wrong. And an expensive bill to return everything back to working again. The normal person or indeed most people, want, a single box on the wall that says hotter or colder the heat pump then runs at lowest cost to achieve this in a suitable timeframe. Don't all heat pumps (except Vaillant and couple of others) use modbus anyway. Which is pretty much open source once you map the addresses. -
Most cylinders aren't much better that C. You can get A rated ones, but the cost premium is huge. So why bother? If keeping water a 50 degs or lower the losses are pretty small anyway. You are likely to loose way more heat by poor pipe install/insulation (or lack of) and not providing thermal current stops by correct pipe orientation.
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For all networks, EE, Vodafone/Three and O2. We get ok Vodafone, everything else is a zero for coverage.
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Turn on your problem radiators and make sure they have no air trapped - so bleed with TRV open. Can you force the radiator hot by closing off the other radiators via the TRVs? So the only flow is directed to the cold radiators? If not your may have bigger issues than simple balancing. Assuming they get hot, the system isn't blocked up. So now you have two options, pump set at too low a setting and not enough head to get to the issue radiator and/or balancing. dT that is big would indicate too little flow going through a particular radiator, low dT too much flow I would have a look at all the radiators to see what sort of dT is occurring across the radiators, they should be similar - do this with all TRVs open to get a sound starting point without adjusting anything.
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A lot of micro climates there, we are 6 miles from Elgin and the same from Lossiemouth, all 3 places can vary in temperatures by a couple of degrees. Or is it feast and famine, great one day rubbish the next.
