Pocster

Don’t doubt it’s a simple job . He said fitting the tundish took 5 minutes . So it wasn’t about saving time or money ( his ! ) ; just I guess decided it wasn’t necessary . I’ll take better photos of the pipe work . If that’s the only thing that needs altering then perhaps I can get that done as a seperate job .

? No point me getting back to him on this . I’ll get it ‘serviced’ by another penis ? ; I can also see if the new guy picks up on that ....

I’m not at the property but he sent me a photo of the tundish installed .

Here’s his reply @Nickfromwales All hot mixers and showers come from the tank apart from the downstairs sink which is supplied by the combi boiler. All the colds come from the balanced cold connection of the pressure reducing valve.

? I’ve text him about the cold coming off balanced output group . Hopefully the answer is simply “yes”

Just wait ; watch the decline.....

Oh tell me about it . There’s zero support when it goes this wrong . Trust me ; police don’t care ; mental health don’t care ; council don’t care . All down too me ......

I couldn’t give an f what they do as long as they don’t damage my property ! . It cost a small fortune to renovate!!

I just googled it - they do exist . Easier to just stick a Cctv camera in there staring at it :-))

Really ????? you got a link ??

Can I have some wine now to release stress?

Maybe JS ; I can't go back to him and say that. Piss him off too!. So I'll let the photo 'go' .....

The problem is even with a tundish installed it's not visible. I'd have to manually say every 3 months ( not sure what frequency is required ) go and physically look at it. But if that's the 'solution' then so be it. Note for judge in event of accident: I have requested a tundish be installed. I'm not liable in anyway for an explosion via the cylinder as far as I am aware was installed to meet regulations.

Requested cylinder guy to fit a tundish. I see his 'logic' though. But I can't take the risk of a serious issue and by liable. Stained ceiling it is!

Hurt by the absence of a tundish? Again I take your point. But the water ( via tundish or other means ) still leaves the property. I can asked him to fix one. Then when it leaks I'll just get a water stain on the ceiling below indicating there's a problem.

He's just sent me a photo of a corroded tundish left leaking......

I don't like this thread anymore. Can't we talk about defunct walk on glass or leaky underground house roofs like before......?

?No sleep again. I take your point JS ; but I now have some evidence ( this thread ) . In essense an 'overflow' can occur just as it would with a turdish ; with more chance of me seeing it as it's external. Just aswell I have 2 million liability insurance. ?

Right! You lot ain't going to like this...... ? Spoke to installer. Confirmed he is G3 and paperwork will be with the cylinder (so I'll grab that tomorrow) He said a tun dish could be installed if I want. He has been requested by other customers due to the corrosion and leaks to remove them (said he would send me a photo if i wished). Given this situation i.e. a HMO where nobody cares/checks anything he felt it foolish to stick it in a cupboard where it will never be viewed. It goes into the boiler overflow/expansion pipe (boiler is literally next to the tank) - so any issue will overflow outside which I can easily check. He IS interpreting the rules to suit the situation (which I know you'll all say is wrong). BUT! as a LL I interpret rules and indeed sometimes deviate to suit a situation. But this doesn't make me right! So yes he has adapted to suit the situation (which as I said you could agree is incorrect). Bit like my leaky roof; the standard 'follow the text' solution is no good for that situation. I'm much happier after speaking too him; and will be even happier once I have grabbed the paperwork. He was going back tomorrow to sort out some timer issue ( though I said timers for hot water is largely pointless in an HMO where hot water is required 24/7 ). So! @Nickfromwales if it blows up in the night killing 6 tenants - I'll be legally covered ; as he has certified and commissioned the install. I shall sleep tonight - until of course you all reply........... ( remember I'm just the customer not the bomb maker! ) ?

Spoke to gas safe. There is NO installation that doesn't require a tundish (though he admits without seeing it a bit difficult) He agreed that 'what else' could be wrong and a 2nd opinion might be worth it. Rather than piss the builder off more i.e. let him finish his stuff; I shall wait. Assuming gas guy gets back too me... but it's hard to imagine what he can say "you don't need it mate" - he has no justification. Which means I will need a 2nd opinion and check....... FFS! As usual being done over by trades - that's 3 out of 3 now!

Currently on hold to gas safe register. See what they say. Tempted once builders finished to get a 'annual unvented cylinder check' for £120 see what happens......

Answer my own question. A 'competent' person (i.e. G3) can self cert their work and provide a certificate...... The installer didn't answer so I've text him my concerns - best wait and see what happens. But lets take worst case scenario ( !! ). He doesn't respond. What do I do then?. Simply grab another 'G3' qualified plumber get him to look; and hope for the best. As usual with trades (no offence to the 'proper' people on here ) I'm simply sticking my hand in a barrel of snakes and hoping not to get bit. The more I think about it (and worry!) the more I'd like it inspected 'independently' - if there's a cost to 'fix' I'll just deduct that from what I owe the builder. SO!; whom do I call for an 'inspection' British Gas??????

I can't find anything online - but a simple question... Does an unvented cylinder install require building regs? (I assume not)

I know, I know. I'm on it. Builder now really pissy with me as he's just the middle man. So have the installers number. So!; apart for asking for a tun dish to be installed what paperwork should I have (I've been told he is G3) ; just some commissioning checklist paperwork?? that it?

?Another sleepless night for me...... ?