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How much to pay for drinking water filtration
sharpener replied to Adsibob's topic in General Plumbing
Assuming you already have a public water supply of potable quality, you have six months to ask yourself the question "Starting from scratch do I want to pay >£1/week to get the additional bacteriological protection or better taste (if any) that this gives me?" -
They are mandatory or nearly so i.e. electricians will want to fit them citing MCS rules. They need to be outside the prohibited envelope for a R290 (propane) HP which is why in the pic it is just above the top of the HP. The theory is they are needed so they can be visibly padlocked off for operative safety during maintenance. I don't know why a padlockable isolator, rcd or two-pole mcb indoors is not thought to be adequate, as it is for other appliances. To my mind they mean un-necessary connections requiring an extra outdoor enclosure which is ugly and an extra expense. If they are truly necessary they should be designed neatly into the HP enclosure itself. There is an alternative school of thought that says they need to be next to the HP so it can quickly be switched off in case of fire or other emergency, I believe this is an urban myth. Mine is padlocked on as it is sited right on the path to the house and near a public highway. Mainly as a deterrent, it would be easy enough to break/cut through the plastic to turn it off in a genuine emergency.
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Depends. It will not improve the modulation range of the compressor, just restrict the use of the top part of the range. It might reduce any temp overshoot if you are seeing that at any point. You might find there is a mains current limit setting which will have a similar effect. In addition to NR I have this turned down to the min of 20A, as some of the time it runs off my battery storage system which can only provide 4.4kW for everything in the house. NR mode might improve CoP for DHW production, the restricted power means less of a delta T between the flow in the coil and the body of the cylinder. So higher CoP as the HP runs at a lower flow temp. Vaillants have a DHW Eco mode which does this as well.
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Vaillant ASHP Subpar CoP Investigation Help.
sharpener replied to suspicious_squirrel's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
You are just reading its state from an info field in the DHW settings. To change it to Not Connected go to Installation config|Heat pump control module config|MO2. See the simulator here https://simulator.vaillant.com/vrc720/at/#/simulator. Don't agree with that. What evidence do you have for it? -
Vaillant ASHP Subpar CoP Investigation Help.
sharpener replied to suspicious_squirrel's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
What time is that? Most E7 tariffs are cheap until 0700, same for Cosy. If (only if) your sensocomfort is it a suitable place then active or extended can work out better esp. if you have solar gain or other internal heat sources. Adaptive will subsequently keep it tuned to the right curve. More peace of mind than any big further improvement. MO2 is a mulitfunction 230V output on the Appliance Interface for various kinds of external pump, if you don't have one set it to Not Connected in Installer settings. I doubt it will. Adaptive will eventually settle on the optimal heat curve. Is displayed on the App. Also on the VWZ AI (not the sensocomfort). You can see the no. of starts as well, if less that 3x the hours run (i.e. avg of 3 starts/hr or less) nothing to worry about, take up macrame instead. -
Many ppl would think cycling less than 3 times per hour is fine, my 12kW Vaillant cycles like this in mild weather but I am not angsting about it. +1
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Looks like the compressor is cycling on and off bc the heat demand is less than the min it can modulate to, and the circulation pump flow rate is following that. Not a problem in the absence of other indications or error messages IMO.
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Fortic tank, common in flats before UVCs. Hence poor head (1 m if you are lucky) and need for shower pump. Replace with UVC, all sorted. Use E7 if you can get it back, otherwise you will need a smart meter and their ToU tariffs.
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could i use my existing UDHWC with proposed heat pump?
sharpener replied to Gordo's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
I think you have answered your own question pretty definitively! If it ain't broke and all that... -
Useful document for common myths
sharpener replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Good find. Should be required reading! -
Do I need a HP specific cylinder?
sharpener replied to Beelbeebub's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
See this thread which I have already linked you to so no new information. Did you get a quote for the HX kit? I am interested to know what they cost. IMO this will be the best technical solution. -
The diverter valve may appear to be working externally but if Honeywell they have a tendency to fall apart internally and bits can end up in odd places in the system. Do a search on the Vaillant FB page, lots of threads about this. I suggest you get some pipe freezer or hire an electrical one and then take it apart to check it thoroughly. If broken replace with another brand e.g. ESBE or Drayton, you might be able to get one on sale or return. Fit the missing flow setter at the same time! Your "whoosh" might be flow through the automatic bypass before the zone valves/diverter are fully open or after they have shut. This happens on my system. These are likely to be antifreeze valves, are they like the this picture? In which case the glycol may be superfluous and so you don't need the pipe freezer.
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Vaillant ASHP Subpar CoP Investigation Help.
sharpener replied to suspicious_squirrel's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
I would suggest a few more things based on limited (so far) experience with a 12kW Arotherm Plus. Especially as your bedroom tends towards being too warm at night I would suggest using a scheduled setback at night to 18C. You might see a slightly worse CoP but the total energy consumption could still be less. If that works you might even try Eco (= off at night). With such a small heat loss and a relatively powerful HP it should have no trouble in bringing the temp back up in the mornings. This will also reduce the parasitic losses. But they are not very big in any case, mine reports just 11W in idle mode (controls are a few W in addition I think). Setting Adaptive = on and Room Temp Mod = Extended may make marginal improvements The HW algorithm is a bit weird, you could try reducing the cylinder offset to zero. It may not make much difference. Make sure the HW is set to Eco on the Heat Pump Interface Unit (not the SensoComfort), this will reduce the peak flow temp and so improve the CoP, You might then need a longer heatup time than 90 min as you have a big tank, or split it into two periods depending on yr tariff. I strongly suggest reconsidering the legionella cycle, it seems to be making quite a big hit, for most ppl it is not necessary, there is a useful article on the Heat Geek w/s. You have got (HW) Circulation pump = On. Not clear why this is, as MO2 is Not Connected. If you do have a secondary circulation pump you can give it its own schedule so it is only on when it is useful. If you haven't then this setting is not meaningful anyway. -
How to predict heat pump size from your EPC
sharpener replied to sharpener's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Yes, very deficient. Tried it again just now, sometimes the Next button was not there, sometimes it did not work. It would be useful to see what info it drags out of the EPC. I suspect not much or it would already know the floor area when you try to modify things. CBA to try and reverse engineer it any further but agree it could be a lot better. Tried Good Energy estimator, seems to download floor area and type of house from EPC, not much better though, quotes me for 2 x 12kW Midea, £20700 less grant, not remotely competitive. -
could i use my existing UDHWC with proposed heat pump?
sharpener replied to Gordo's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
I think OP is in N Ireland so quite mild. I have trodden this path ahead of you and agree with this opinion, see this thread for full gory details. Heat exchanger a better technical option, less disruptive to install and prob. cheaper than the marginal cost of upgrading the tank even if you can find a buyer for the old one. However it will be interesting to see what the kit costs, it is based on a SWEP HX, reputable brand, lots of further info here, water needs a pH of 7.5 or more to avoid corrosion (which my rainwater supply can't meet). -
How to predict heat pump size from your EPC
sharpener replied to sharpener's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Truth is stranger than fiction. Have just been emailed about Shrunkpunk which does indeed claim to predict heat loss from the EPC if it can find one on the database. No information about climatic conditions, OAT assumed etc. Unmodified it predicts 18.5 kW for my house, making some corrections to the base assumptions (in particular that the floor is uninsulated) it gets 10.8 which is a plausible agreement with the 12kW HP I have now got installed following more rigorous methods. Is mostly intended to be embedded in installers' web sites as a way of generating qualified leads not a serious estimating tool. About as good as some of those there have been on Octopus, Scottish Power and Good Energy web sites for some while now. -
Nibe (or any heat pump) water scheduling
sharpener replied to SBMS's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
It needs to produce heat to heat the water which is the heat transfer medium. I was not intending to draw any distinction between heating and hot water, the fan blows cold air out in either case. The air comes out colder than when it went in at the back of the unit bc the heat in it has been tranferred by the refrigeration cycle in the HP from the ambient air to the water pipe which goes into the house. This initial process is the same whether it subsequently heats the house or the hot water. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_source_heat_pump. -
Nibe (or any heat pump) water scheduling
sharpener replied to SBMS's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
Well the fan blows cold air out of the front of the machine (as fans do). So that is how you can tell. -
Nibe (or any heat pump) water scheduling
sharpener replied to SBMS's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
If the fan is running the HP will be producing heat. One or both pipes coming into the house will be warm under the lagging. If the fan is not running any continuous noise will be the circulation pump in the outdoor unit pushing the water round the system. Even if there is no heat demand this can be quite normal, the HP needs to measure the water in the house (at least periodically) so does this to sample the return pipe temperature as @SteamyTea says upthread: -
LG Therma V Monobloc CH14 flow error
sharpener replied to Tim Pearson's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
@JohnMo's advice upthread was very sound as many HPs require voltage-free contacts (and I have had to add a relay to achieve this when converting from an oil boiler). So @Michael_S is lucky to have one which does not. -
Nibe (or any heat pump) water scheduling
sharpener replied to SBMS's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
So turn them off, there is no risk and you will learn what happens Do you know who installed the system for them/who has serviced it since? Do NIBE have a "find an expert" service or can they send their own engineer out? Is there a NIBE help forum? Have you tried to locate a heatgeek specialist near you https://www.heatgeek.com/find-a-heat-geek/ -
Nibe (or any heat pump) water scheduling
sharpener replied to SBMS's topic in Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP)
That would be diagnostic for what was really providing the HW all along. If it makes no difference then the HP is capable of doing it and you should see a reduction in the bill. If you start to run out then you need to heat with the HP more often or for longer. -
If you are going to re-roof the buildiing you should max out on the PV generation in any event, it will pay for itself in short order. You can estimate the output using PVGIS. As for heating with an ASHP (or several) you should start with an estimate of heat loss, you can DIY by downloading the free sw from heatpunk. This is primarily designed for domestic buildings but should give you an idea. You can model the offices as a separate building with an ambient of 10C to begin with. Capital cost likely to be higher than oil-fired, running costs maybe somewhat lower esp. as your target temp is modest so CoP should be high. Sounds like you need a local firm who are into heating commercial buildings in a serious way, has yr architect/surveyor not got any suggestions/contacts? If you say whereabouts it is someone on here may have a recommendation too.
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That was always the Achilles heel of the original concept, short of interseasonal storage. This morning the sun was out so I dried a load of washing and topped up the charge in my car. ATM it is in the middle of a Cosy cheap period so the HP is charging the thermal store, but it is now dull so I would have been fractionally better off doing the drying etc now having exported the surplus in the morning. These things are what is just about feasible to do with PV in winter - but even with 6.9 kW installed I have no illusions about running the HP off it until the clocks go forward again.