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Hi Joe- Ok great I'm doing this then. One thing that springs to mind before I start, is the fairly narrow W I have to play with. Ideally if I undid the pB each side I could gain 1" overall.. but logistics of doing/ tidying up adds a day's work for me. The carpeter is chasing me/ got to just get frame in > so he can work. Do I have the option of putting the door opening instead of 'within' the two 5x1 uprights, on the 'face' of them instead? meaning a wider door by 1" or so, it sort of like a lid closing onto the short sides of the 5x1. Im just wondering if there actually is any benefit from this, if the opening you go through, remains the same, as its governed by the 5x1 in the same position whichever way. The only difference in the opening being the plant-on bit is awol on my 'lid' idea.. still is less the plant's 1/2" either side tho.

Just to recap- I'll be going as per Joe's sketch (terrific- really helps). IE I'm going to leave the pB in place/ fix timbers over it. So the horizontal header bit.. just a friction-fit shaped piece? no need to rebate each end/ joint it to the uprights? and this the same 130x40mm planed square edge I assume (I guess this is same as Peter's 5x1 All Round planed). The only way of fixing horizontal, is diagonal big f-o screws: is the the only viable way? Its gotta be spot-on flush to the verticals the only prob.. Im rarely good at diagonal fixing/ jointing perfectly. A bit of a sod tbh. thx zH

Hi PeterW I'm back over here. Respite- a bit simpler than a CH system, I hope! I'm planning my frame job: so far Ive got ticked to get today '5x1 Planed All Round timber'. So referring back to Joe's Rebate or Plant-on sketch (understand the difference in design) the Plant-on looks the simpler to do, I assume, meaning no big rebate to rout: not easy to do for me here tbh. Is Plant-on sufficient here, with regards to my perhaps not-ideal structure I'm fixing the frame uprights to-? thanks- zoot.

Yes, and if its been translated from german to english badly it doubles the trouble, and if you've smoked your nut stupid aged at college so you can't remember why & wtf you've come in the room you're in to do thesedays, pretty alarmingly often.. you've triple the trouble!

Hi Damon- your points make sense to me/ maybe then my perception of temp is skewing things: this is a difficult thing to accept of course if I'm defo feeling a nip thru me l.johns, & definitely feeling a 3 hour continually-temperatured rad as barely warm (I physically can't be perceiving this wrong, can I?). If I do the turn the damn thing UP & I expect it to increase rads' temp, this only prooves that the desired input function is working ok, not, that the outside thermometer is working ok. If I know turning the knob up from 18 to 21 affects the room temp, I can safely assume turning it to 25 will do the same.. so I'm continually not understanding why its being suggested. The only viable test I can think of use, is putting a thermometer outside & checking the figure on the controller tallies with it (but how do I know my new manual thermometer is accurate?!). I think I'm gonna go bonkers if I start off down this route. I'll try get the installers back (Ive tried 3x just to do minor tidy up things- but impossible) to at the least check the outside thermometer is functioning ok > and whatever unit it affects is functioning ok (can only be in the 'boiler' as I call the box thing). thanks zH

@PeterW I appreciate your trying to explain it/ input, as always. But if I see the outside temp is 8* & rads are hot for 3 hours, house gets nice & warm (I wanna take me long johns off its toasty: great: never had this house warm before/ woohoo etc!).. & next morning I see outside temp is 10*, & rads are barely warm for 3 hours, house isn't warm (I can actually feel a nip thru me longjohns: not so great/ boohoo etc). You are saying its working as it should. I disagree/ I'm questioning this opinion, I just can't make sense of this opinion. And so I'm questioning if its set up as it should, or if the thermo is over-sensitive, or if the thing it influences is going a bit ott, having got its (correct) temp from it. A manual isn't gonna help tell me why there's this higher-than-expected rad temp discrepency. Nor is getting installers back saying 'its working fine' concurring with you. If there's a way of tweaking the signal the thermometre sends, or wherever it sends it to (still mysteryXunit) is tweaked = fine. But this is all I can determine as a way of ridding this OTT discrepency.

That would answer the question! but I dont think useful, if when its working correctly.. it could be a very useful device. Today the rads are -far- hotter than last night. So, there is --too much-- discrepency (it seems/ its becoming apparant now) between the influence the thermometre has, on whatever it is influencing. [Unless Temp is correct & this is just a perception I'm having: but truly its so different, putting a hand on as rad & you can just tell]. This suggests, & only tentatively I say, there is let's say "an adjustment" that's needed of either the thermometre, or, whatever it influences to change the rads temp. If I could just find out what this thing it influences is... then Ive narrowed it down to 1 or both of 2 things: thermometre "too sensitive/ needs tweaking, or replacing" &/ or mysteryXthing taking a good thermmometre reading > & adjusting the temp "too much/ needs tweaking". Does this not make any logical sense to anyone?? will the reply again be to just "turn it up!"?? thx zH

Right so I'm guessing in the dark here (why someone just cant explain it Ive no idea). The outside thermometre senses its cold.. and either (THIS is what Im asking/ still not answered) it changes the duration the rads are on........................... .....................or it changes the temp the boiler (or wtf the box thing on the wall is, taking the high pressure whatever, & doing god only knows what with it) heats thev water up to to feed the rads. It HAS to influence one or the other of these two things. But no answer on here just "turn the bloody thing up!!" which does NOT answer this Q (how can it?). IF it influences the temp at which the rads are, it must have influenced whatever feeds the bloomin rads.. so.. if there are 3 units after it (the big fanny, the box thing, the cylinder) its me guessing it seems which its likely to influence. Its unlikely to be the cylinder afaict. 2 left. Could it influence my big fanny? well not the speed of the fan I wouldn't think, so the rate of the compressor? maybe. Or (1 left) the box boiler thing? maybe/ more likely/ I put my money on it influencing this. So, if this thermometre is registering ----incorrectly--- the end results might be the rads go in two ways: too hot (it might be registering too low a temp) or too cold (it might be registering not cold enough). I have not ruled out it is not doing something incorrectly. From my 6x faults so far (and the fact that its too complicated for its own good) = its a 50/50 chance it is another fault. Or it just needs adjusting. I don't know.

Did I ask samsung how the WM works I think you meant.

Well yes, in that respect I can set & forget. But Im left without knowing if the rads only felt as warm.. is another flamin fault.. or.. whether its working correctly, and that the outside thermometre might have goverened this rad setting. So I'm trying to be one step beyong Mrs Miggins. Just one. Not considering power curves that's 3 steps on. Just how my rad was warm for 3 hrs. What made it so. Forgive me but dialing the damn thing up to 25* won't give me the answer to this (actually I don't know what answer doing this would be relevant to anything I'm asking tbh). When I find out what made it so... then I can establish if I have yet another flaming fault -or- its doing what it should. If I have a series of faults, of Vailants equipment, an error code so a transformer changed, then a pump changed, low pressure warnings, noisy bloody compressor agreed by them, the damn thing going on at 6am they have no idea about, then dribbling shenanigans...... I'm naturally on tenterhooks waiting for the next fault aren't I. So I -need- to be one step on from Mrs Miggins to understand a wee bit more, to be able to tell: fault no.7 or not.

Peter I can't possibly cope with the controller manual.. let alone diving into this lot. ("Quiet mode" is very interesting tho..) You about 10 steps ahead of me. I'm still trying to figure out why I have a thermometre on the outside and -how- it interacts with whatever it interacts with. Imagine I'm Mrs Miggins at no.73 who hasn't had CH before, its like a ufo's just landed with gadgets & plinking lights. I've got the cupboard door open still trying to decide if they'd like battenberg or maybe some garibaldis.. whilst you're in the next room hammer & tongs re-arranging the furniture.

So 'low output' means for a customer (sorry- look Im not a technician ok?) low temperature of the rad. When you say "it" (it'd crank -it- up to max) what are you referring to? 'It'd crank.. the -rad- up to max? ..the -boiler- up to max? ..the -cylinder- up to max? ..the -thermostat- up to max? I've established only that this thermometre interacts & introduces a change to something, and as I thought this may be the reason for the rads at the temp I found them. I'm just needing a clearer picture of how it then changes, whatever it changes. You see I'm only used to trv's. I actually thought -all- rads are either in an 'on' state or an 'off' state, a trv is prime eg. If I want a room to 15* the rad might come on 3x in 1 hour. If I want a 21* room rad might come on 6x in 1 hour. If the actual temp of the rad changes instead of the frequency of times it comes on.. I'm not used to it doing so. So its trying to understand IF this is indeed what's happening here now today, & if possible, trying to understand how its happened.

Nick- All I read were 3 sentences I couldn't understand. If I could understand them, I could see -why- he was asking me to turn the temp up. Heat curves.. I thought he was talking tech to ProDave.. it made zero sense to me/ never heard this term before. The system goes off at 9pm, so I can't just 'go turn it up & see'. -- I was asking about the outside thermometer. This is the only thing I can think of as to why my rads have been continually lukewarm for 3 hours. I know only that this thing is there, and if its there, it must have some -factor- in how the system operates. If its particularly mild outside.. I can only surmise that -this- (& the registering of this mildness) might, might have something to do with what I find.. only lukeawarm rads. But I need to try & understand it, 1st by asking if anyone knows why its there (other than 'measure a temp dummy'), and maybe how it interacts with the system, why/ what is its purpose. It might have no bearing on my warm rads- they might just be fkd like my pump was. That seems the most plausible answer I'm at so far.

Peter how on earth am I meant to know what 'heat curves' & 'power input' means? they're totally arbitrary terms to me. and 'dumping in heat' too- Ive just no idea what you mean. Am I just meant to? Does anyone know how an outside thermometer interacts/ affects the results seen at a radiator? (assuming it does affect it.. or it wouldn't be there). What could its purpose be, besides measuring temperature? thanks- zoot

Ive just no idea what the 2nd sentence means though unfortunately, nor the gist of the 1st half of the 3rd either. I have had 20.5* as my desired temp always, so there's no reason I should change it Peter.

Its nuts- I have to put on a £5 charity shop fan heater in order to get warm at 8.30pm.. & this damn system is worth £8k (apparantly).

But I see this lukewarm-only rads from 6pm to now. No change, constantly the tops warm (& btms actually cold). -- Do you know how the outside thermo interacts with the system Peter?

ST/ anyone. I can't work out what's happening at the moment here. Its 8.15pm, I dialed in my usual 20.5* at 6pm (from my day temp I put at 18*) & the house isn't warm, I'm feeling the cold in my legs, & the rads I notice are just lukewarm. Just like today AM. The current temp on the controller is 20*, the outside temp is a very mild 14*. Is the fact that the outside temp is 'warm' & the thermometer is measuring this, &, does it adjust the radiator temperature accordingly? This is the only plausible reason why I do not have hot rads. I just don't understand the way this outside thermometer interacts with the system, & what I get as a result, the temperature of the radiator, &/ or for how long its on (Ive no idea if it interacts with one, or both of these factors). Thjanks- zoot

No Ive had since new, its a nokia 3410 from a long time ago. It has a small sim card in, and i used to buy vigin top up card, so it was on a prepay £10 card thingy till it ran out, buy another etc. Not a monthly affair.

Missed this reply/ its no nonsense caulk acrylic yes. ok 2 hits/ will do. thanks

actually that's something I could have maybe done! I rather like the scribing lark/ very satisfying.. but too late now. it does sound like a ballache mind you with such a thin piece, prolly 2" in fact, & losing the space in bed position. Another satisfying job- caulking! @PeterW good idea cutting the 8mm end/ I think I might get away with one go with this, tmrw, waiting on paint to dry 1st. So onto my last job: the door frame. Going over info now. I think it might be wiser ask carpetter to come back & do the steps end of week (a separate piece anyway).. I'm pushing getting frame in, plus the trim bits, & 2x painting it before tues. Then panic is off, I can get stuff into the room tues PM.. that'll spur me on to get the frame done. cheers- zH

I've read it a few times until I don't understand it ST.

Only prob is this boxing gap's not got anything under this far edge.. a 1st fill smaller than 5mm will just fall in. Or are you suggesting fill with something else 1st just below surface > then caulk bead ontop?

cheers! yes but this was like a 3" gap putting a length of skirt along, meaning bed pushed twds french doors more, and alot of filler. If I banana'd it & fixed it in = too much pressure & it might suddenly give & fire a mouse at my '78 fender twin reverb at 4am. This stupid skirt bit had 3/4" of filler put in its gaps alone today. carpet chaps not gonna be happy. but your twiddly skirt additions.. he's gonna be livid when he sees those!

It does. I have tried & tried with mine, cup of tea a big sigh & an hour put aside to really get to grips with it. But a few pages in & I'm at a total loss understanding almost all of it, feeling stress & mild panic starting.