Roger440

Says the bloke who is displaying cult style behaviour in attempting to paint peoples postions (that are not as stated) and denigrate them, because there is only one possible viewpoint, yours. I get it, i MUST accept your position on everything. Because only you can be right. And if i dont agree, you will simply post more. And more. I guess a reflection of politics today.

So, theres a suggestion that we dont blow up a power station, because it might be useful in the event of a severe energy crisis. And thats managed to turn in to the threads gone mad, theres people advocating coal, steam engines and kids up chimnies. I think you were right, ban social media, because its clear some cant use it.

How did you get your water lilys to grow that fast!

You do talk absolute bollocks dont you. We were still mining coal up to 2024. Thats manifestly NOT 40 years ago. If someone said, we need to mine some coal, some companies will mine the coal. Most of the railway infrastructure is still there. Fortunately the railway isnt quite so keen to bin of useful infrastructure, because, you know, might come in handy at some point. Edited to add, the last coal mine actually had to be forced to close by government. The company was quite happy to carry on. As a viable business.

And still most people wont do it. Come back to the real world please.

If we can move to a 30 hour day, that would help progress!

If you have springs, why can you not just use those? Way cheaper than a bore hole. I know a couple of people with spring fed water systems. No issues, even last summer.

You seem determined to miss the point, so ill leave it there.

Thats good to know as ill be self installing too. I did ask before, but no one seemed clear on that. Ie someone with no electrical qualifications. Well i did qualify under the 16th edition, but i dont think that means alot now. I still say this will be exempted from G98. There will likely be millions of these things. Which would mean millins of G98 forms. Just not going to happen. Not in the real world.

I know its a "modern" thing to believe that because something is old its no good. Not a line of thinking i use, or understand. In my world, one does maintenance at appropiate intervals to keep equipment working. Which wont be that much if its mothballed. Certainly wont wear out quickly. My point was only ever to keep it as back up. Mothball it in some state of suitable readiness. Rather than blowing it up. Which is utterly dumb.

What are you "filtering out"?

I didnt build this. Fed off barn roof. Clay lined. 4m deep. Sadly, was entirely surrounded by rushes. Slowly eliminating and replacing with other stuff. But its big, so years of work

You "can" do checks. Indeed ive pointed this out already up there ^^^^ Sadly however, we wont do any checks. This is the UK. Nothing works anymore. Paperwork checks are pointless anyway, as said certificates will just be forged. Only a proper physical check will achieve anything.

Well, yes, you notify them, but they can reject it/question it should they choose to do so. But the G98 form is completely inappropiate for this. Ie, it asks for the qualifications of the installer. Clearly this is nonsense for a plug in panel. Im confident that it wont apply in this case if this idea comes to fruition.

I did, but only just read it moments before arriving at this post. Im a bit mystified, however, about the intello layer idea. Im no builder, but ive been in a lot of roofs, and none had anything like this.

Of course, to avoid all this complication, dont tell building control. Problem fixed.

Its unfixable. Whatever process you put in place, they just make it look the same. Of fake the paperwork. Or whatever. You can by rolls of the CE stickers anywhere in China.

For some reason you have gone a rabbit hole of saying how useless new coal plants would be. Not sure how you got there as the discussion was about the daftness of knocking one, note, one, down. In the beginnings of an energy crisis. Nobody suggested we do and you appear to be arguing with yourself?

There cannot be anyway that people will be, or be expected to apply for G98. Outside this small group on the forum, than man on the street has no idea about such things. If said panels are availble in Lidl, they will buy them and plug them in.

I dont suppose said installer has had the FENSA certification withdrawn?

Of course the regs dont allow for live pins. Thats my point. However, things go wrong, especially electronics. Yes it "should" cut of the power if it doesnt see "mains power". Should is doing a lot of heavy lifting on a device thats likely sub £200. Comparing it to an RCD isnt really relevant. The idea of the RCD is that its a back up for when something else has already gone (badly) wrong. Theres no circumstance in which live conductors are available to touch under UK regs. With a plug in panel, if it doesnt detect the mains power has gone, the pins are live. Single point of failure. Going to a situation of single point of failure is a significant step backwards. The results of which, as ive already said, are forseeable.

Yes, of course theres a cost to mothballing it. You could convert it. No idea how practical that is? My point is, we dont know whats coming. WW3 is certainly a possibility. Something bad but short of that too. Imagine our supply of gas is heavily restricted due to war, and we face a postion of blackouts due to lack of generation capacity. Would you sit there and say, no, i wont use a coal powered plant out of principle, or would you recommision it, having retained it? Theres only one answer to that that makes any sense. We dont NEED to blow it up, as we have done with previous ones. To do so is utter stupidity. As it was previously.

Seems unlikely our stocks are dwindling as we are not using it or mining it. That statement is illogical You last paragraph is irrelevant to the post.

I know all that. My point was the statement you suggested was taking the piss, was in fact entirely correct. It wasnt a suggestion it was in any way desirable.

Not really. Thats what trading standards used to do. They just dont do it any more. You could prosecute everyone doing it quite easily as the internet tells you who they are. And we should. Interestingly, the DVSA enforcement team do exactly that with non compliant automotive products. And have taken people like euro car parts to task. So it can be done. Its never been easier to identify those not complying. As i said, i think in the other thread, i bought a transformer, from Amazon that has exposed 240v terminals. I didnt know that until i got it out of the box. And i do know what im looking at. Personally, i find that completely unacceptable.