Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I’ve been trying to hire one and not a lot of joy, if I was to buy one would anybody want it off me in a 3-4 months time. Or does anybody know where to hire one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 What is a 'Positive Placement' nailer as distinct from a 'normal' nail gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Google said... Positive placement nailers use either the nail itself (to find the hole in the hardware) or a probe attached to the tip of the nosepiece. The article in which I found this was dealing with fixing joist hangers. Edited January 16, 2019 by Triassic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 hmmmmm - I gogled but found nothing. I'm going back to Encyclopedia Britannica.. Silly question maybe, but why one of those and not a normal nail gun. Sort of sounds like a nail gun for registered blind people, if you see what I mean. If you're looking at what you're nailing, why the need for a detection method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Big Neil said: hmmmmm - I gogled but found nothing. I'm going back to Encyclopedia Britannica.. Silly question maybe, but why one of those and not a normal nail gun. Sort of sounds like a nail gun for registered blind people, if you see what I mean. If you're looking at what you're nailing, why the need for a detection method? If you need to drive a nail precisely into a hole, say in a strap or joist hangar, then you need a positive placement nailer, as they they do what their name suggests, put the nail exactly where it's needed. An ordinary first fix nailer isn't very accurate; it will put the nail in more or less where you want it, but can be a few mm out as there is no guide as to where the nail is actually going to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 ahhhh - so with a normal nailer you could actually end up shooting the ail through the metal strap then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Neil said: ahhhh - so with a normal nailer you could actually end up shooting the ail through the metal strap then? Yes, or missing the strap altogether! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Never knew this tool existed. I like a shinny toy as much as the next person but TBH I don't think this would be on my list, It's pretty easy to hammer a 40mm twist nail even in quantity! Edited January 16, 2019 by Alexphd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Saw the Paslode one of these at the Tool show in Manchester last year. A lot of money for a dedicated tool but if needs must. This years show is in March so we are nearly there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Even on big projects I never see these used. On recent project we had about 800 hangers and they hand nailed the lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 There is a used dewalt one on eBay just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 how about this. I haven't read, but maybe the tip penetration from the head can be adjusted?? https://mymodernmet.com/invention-idea-auto-hammer-michael-david-young/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: Even on big projects I never see these used. On recent project we had about 800 hangers and they hand nailed the lot! Oh well backwards Britain strikes again ive been doing it like this since 1865 ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Big Neil said: how about this. I haven't read, but maybe the tip penetration from the head can be adjusted?? https://mymodernmet.com/invention-idea-auto-hammer-michael-david-young/ It’s not just that it fires into the hole precisely, it also fires the correct nails, don’t be using framing nails to fit your hangers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 well no, i just wasn't sure if maybe that one, or if there is a similar one, could take the nails you'll be using. Mind you i suppose id rather squeeze a finger 1000 times than swing my arm the same amount where possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Neil Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Coincidentally, what was the lack of joy in finding one? NO one has one available, no one has them full stop? When you needing it? Edited January 16, 2019 by Big Neil Spelling Errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Big Neil said: rather squeeze a finger 1000 times than swing my arm the same amount where possible If it was a 1000 I would probably hand nail them i have just had a rough add up and I think there’s about 5600 of those twist nails to go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Davies Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Big Neil said: ahhhh - so with a normal nailer you could actually end up shooting the ail through the metal strap then? The nail doesn't go through a joist hanger, it just curls back on itself. That's trying with 51mm nails in a Paslode IM360 nailgun. Yeah, I experimented. Cautiously. Wearing thick gloves and safety glasses (I do all the time anyway as I need the bifocal bits). About half way through the doing the various twist nails in my frame. Almost exactly the same number as Russell (5280 for the roof and floor plus whatever in the gable walls). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Google says https://www.jewson.co.uk/tool-hire/power-tools/fixing-equipment/products/3301/paslode-ppn35i-positive-placement-nailer/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Jewson was on my list of places to call today ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 But will these positive placement guns fire the correct twist nails for joist hangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, joe90 said: But will these positive placement guns fire the correct twist nails for joist hangers? That’s exactly all they do, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sorted jewsons hire one for £55 for the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Punter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Looks like it has a fair bit of recoil, but at £73 per week before discount it initially seems mad that the timber frame teams don't use them until you consider they are supplied the normal framing nails etc but not collated ppn nails. They just get supplied shedloads of twists. They are on a price and not earning a fortune, so spending £400 on materials when they have a foc supply on site does not work for them. It took an age to do all the hangers by hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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