j_s Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Well my worst fears have come true with the ongoing house improvements in hunting down draughts etc We have an attached garage which is where the boiler, alarm panel and consumer unit are housed. Pipes and cables all come in to the main house over the hallway ceiling which part of is in the garage attached part of the building and then the rest of the hallway carries on into the main house. The issue is the ****wits who built the house just removed a block both sides of the cavity and the the cables are not neatly bundled or tidy and come through this gap and on through a joist on 2 sides of the removed block. The pipes they managed to be more tidy with but I have no chance of sealing this up as it stands right now. I'll get a pic when it's light in the morning. There is no slack in the cables, not much room for manoeuvre at all. Anyone have any suggestions of how to get this sorted? Plumber is coming in 2 weeks to add new radiator to new extension so he can sort out the 4 incoming pipes so my builder could do something with the gap, electrician is coming in 1 week to do 2nd fix in extension and add a new spur for replacement garage door so need to iron out a plan this week hopefully. My builder is worried that the cost is just ramping up with all we've found so wants to try to make it easier for me cost wise. His work is meticulous and very high quality but I need to guide him with what I want done ideally. I'll discuss again tomorrow with him as we've not gone through all options as it was late Friday we found this issue. My only thoughts are to move the consumer unit to the utility room which is just near this part of the hallway, easily enough existing cable to do this. Also replace the alarm with a more up to date system and add a couple of new sensors to it too and move the alarm brain to the utility room. We've already ripped off all the plasterboard in this part of the hall to fix other issues with massive holes in the blockwork and around the entrance door. The rush here is that a new RK door is soon to arrive so want the mess dealt with. This is going to cost me Edited February 4, 2018 by j_s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Comments to follow after the pics . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Need photos :-o . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 hours ago, j_s said: Well my worst fears have come true with the ongoing house improvements in hunting down draughts etc [...] The rush here is that a new RK door is soon to arrive so want the mess dealt with. This place is brilliant at helping anyone think calmly about a disaster. If you don't believe me read this Remove the rush: store the door. Look for the opportunities provided by the problem. The mere process of doing that softens the blow. You have a good trade network it seems: tap in to that expertise You aren't dealing with an impossibly difficult problem Stagger costs by phasing the work: all trades folk understand the need to work to a budget Post some images: try to imagine what we will need to see if we are to give high quality advice We've most of us felt as sick as you do now. Just grit yer teeth and keep talking to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Remove the rush: store the door. Top advice. The only issue is if the door is being accompanied by the fitters.....to fit it. @j_s What the Bobby Moore with your door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: [...] Bobby Moore with your door? Que? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redoctober Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 @recoveringacademic - Bobby Moore ! - "what's the score" - a nice touch of good old cockney rhyming slang! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Que? Nick obviously has Cockney roots. Bobby Moore = “Score” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ian said: Nick obviously has Cockney roots Just as well as welsh has no vowels in it and just causes spittle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Cockney not Barcelonese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Well 'ee needs a kick up the Bryn Glass then dun 'ee? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Just as well as welsh has no vowels in it and just causes spittle. Did you know we invented the handkerchief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Well 'ee needs a kick up the Bryn Glass then dun 'ee No It is the Aris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Did you know we invented the handkerchief If you had invented opera, you could have had those vowels back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: If you had invented opera, you could have had those vowels back We'll always have Paul Potts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_s Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Hi guys RK door is supply and fit but I have no date yet so that can be pushed back a little, I can get them to fit the new garage door in the meantime when that arrives. Builder has re-sleeved the copper pipework where it touches any mortar. Reseated the pipework from the garage so the block they were sitting on no longer bridges the cavity. Removed all snots and debris from cavity between garage and hall. Added new cavity slab insulation to the cavity where it was non existent. Redone the blockwork that you will see in the photos further down. Wednesday we will see how we can sort the cabling out, one plan is to disconnect all cables from CU so we can see if any can be adjusted to get some slack and can then maybe add them to conduits to better seal the opening as will be a lot easier to manage the conduit rather than just a large knot of cables. The difference in warmth already from the fixes today is massive and it's not even sealed up yet in the hall ceiling, lots of fixes still to do by me with paint on blowerproof and insulation board sheets before we add the new timber frame for the ceiling, light will also be fixed to a timber back board with hole cut and conduit sealed to it for cable and then a Pro Clima stoppa, these are tried and tested in my extension and the combo works well! Some links to pics below This one is the larger chunk of cables coming in at top middle left of picture, you can see the pipes of course too. https://photos.app.goo.gl/KmpHCeVaEivCp9Ix2 These two is of the few cables going to the right hand side of the open block. https://photos.app.goo.gl/bhH5kC2WDX0KjQAf2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1yjZiyXJk6bGOLxo2 Now for some other examples of the classic plasterboard hides everything: https://photos.app.goo.gl/6b1ANbTnR9KFe4Cu1 Some more plasterboard removed to see what other fun hides behind it. The foam is the work I've started on. https://photos.app.goo.gl/vq91C0jvzusuOy9e2 Below are some fixes as of tonight of the above couple of photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tSzTHGTRqBMeYbht2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y4sLEkuAzsV6dyYg2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/T4TIqcGUF6qN0rK33 thanks all. Hopefully you might give me a new avenue or 2 to look at too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 All I can suggest is wrapping the wires in polythene and using expanding foam to fill gaps. PVC insulation on wires should be kept away from eps and the like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_s Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Well we have fixed the insulation in th cavity by adding dritherm 32 and also added it where the blocks are missing. This has instantly warmed up my ensuite floor and master bedroom as they are the rooms where you could see the floor joist through the gap. We will also add celotex over where the pipes and cables come in the wall from the garage as above the ceiling there is a cold roof. This will then be joined to other 75mm and 100mm celotex directly above the plasterboard ceiling and we will wrap the cavity wall insulation from the wall over the wall plate and across all the celotex. Cavity around the entrance door is now properly closed and insulated ready for the new door. We are moving the light switch slightly and moving the alarm number pad whilst we have the plasterboard removed to get it all tidied up along with fixing/replacing some cables and an additional cable for a light in the new porch. Also at some point we will change the tiles in the ensuite and when we do we will fix where the pipes and cables come in from that point too. Maybe I should give the bill to the original builders who are right now decorating one of the 2 houses they still own next door that they rent out. So tempting to ask them if they knew what they were doing when building these houses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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