This puts any of our challenges into perspective

[saveasteading]

The building failing in Manhattan. A failed column and lots of temporary support.

The developer describes it as a "construction mishap".

More accurately it looks like  a total bodge without site scrutiny.

 

Is that a steel column,  made from bits, with a ticky tacky plate pinned on as a junction?

It appears to have failed at top, middle and bottom (classic year one engineering fundamentals), which suggests to me... be very scared about the whole building.

 

 

[ToughButterCup]

Ahhhh, thats nuffin ..... 🙃

 

 

OR

 

 

Take your pick.

 

32 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

... which suggests to me... be very scared about the whole building.

 

Exactly, @saveasteading

I'm so glad  - in retrospect - that our two disasters were dealt with by a properly professional company. Because  they discovered more incompetence and rectified it - and here's the kicker ... for less than the original company were attempting to charge me. They were going to take me to court for non-payment, until I sent them the security video evidence.

 

Its an ill wind that blows nobody any good 

 

To your point  @saveasteading: I wonder how the repair in the first post was financed? 

[saveasteading]

3 hours ago, ToughButterCup said:

I wonder how the repair in the first post was financed? 

I think it said that the City was doing emergency work, because bits are falling off it into the road, and the whole thing could collapse.

Imagine the desperate shenanigans taking place to divest the company responsible from wherever the money is.

 

Meanwhile in Exeter we have a £31M school that's going to be demolished, having never been occupied because of the threat of collapse.  The companies have gone bust, so the state pays more than twice.

subsidence, missing bolts..... so who knows what else.

Does nobody supervise these days?

 

3 years since built, so I'm surprised to have only just heard of /noticed the story.

 

[Super_Paulie]

2 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

I think it said that the City was doing emergency work, because bits are falling off it into the road, and the whole thing could collapse.

Imagine the desperate shenanigans taking place to divest the company responsible from wherever the money is.

 

Meanwhile in Exeter we have a £31M school that's going to be demolished, having never been occupied because of the threat of collapse.  The companies have gone bust, so the state pays more than twice.

subsidence, missing bolts..... so who knows what else.

Does nobody supervise these days?

 

3 years since built, so I'm surprised to have only just heard of /noticed the story.

 

like the Gateshead flyover in Newcastle, they are demolishing the entire thing.

And closer to home, the National Glass Centre in Sunderland is about to get demolished, 25 years after it was built, pretty pathetic.

[Square Feet]

10 hours ago, saveasteading said:

Serious kudos (props? 😂) to the person that put the first acrow in there.

And the other nine as well.

[MPH243]

7 minutes ago, Square Feet said:

Serious kudos (props? 😂) to the person that put the first acrow in there.

And the other nine as well.

I agree kudos to the people involved in all the props going into the building. I don't think I would want to be in there, but I guess the risk of injury/death from collapsing is huge as surrounding buildings could go as well. 

[Nickfromwales]

9 hours ago, saveasteading said:

Imagine the desperate shenanigans taking place to divest the company responsible from wherever the money is

Imagine being the persons sent down there to install those props?!?!?!

 

They’d have had the 2-finger salute from me. Feck that. 

[ProDave]

I would love to know more.  New building under construction?  Old occupied building?  That post that has bent looks sure to have allowed what is above to drop.  How much above?

 

I wonder what the SE's insurance premium will be for designing a fix?

[saveasteading]

Just now, ProDave said:

would love to know more

It has been there for years as a corporate office block. Now seems to be a mix of offices and flats. It was on the BBC News website from where I pinched the pic. A clever person can maybe get a link from the pic. 

 

Ahh  This might be it https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c7vygmmdyr8o?app-referrer=deep-link

 

[saveasteading]

It's a column but supposedly experienced people are calling it a beam. Is that a US thing?

[saveasteading]

These temporary props will be supported on a beam, as the one above, which is supported by a column..... as the failed one.

Walk gently.

 

And these are empty spaces with previous  internal loads removed.

 

[ProDave]

Imagine if that starts collapsing.  That could be another 9/11 scale collapse (though without the casualties as the building has been evacuated)

[Ed_]

Quite an acheivement to buckle that column, it doesn't seem that slender.

Surprised that column can be totally lost without other damage being immediately apparent.

[saveasteading]

4 minutes ago, Ed_ said:

doesn't seem that slender.

It looks to me as if the column is not continuous but has a butt joint at mid height, then spliced ( very badly) and all concealed by sprayed concrete or similar.

As such buildings are normally designed in great detail, and fabricated offsite, to slot together I'm guessing there has been damage and a bodged repair.

[JohnMo]

4 hours ago, ProDave said:

SE's insurance premium

Think building has been there since the 70s, so for original structural engineer, not sure they would be liable, especially as they have added more buildings on top of the original.

 

Looks like a bodge splice, then covered in fire proof paint to hide it.

[Post and beam]

My worry would be what caused the failure and is it likely, or already present, on others.