Why we need "Net zero"

[Beelbeebub]

42 minutes ago, JohnMo said:

Trouble is the environmental activists, demonstrate, with their plastic tents, plastic drinks bottles, fleece jackets, nylon ropes, and don't understand all that vanishes with no oil

Ah this old chestnut..... 

 

Fossil fuels are absolutely vital to modern life for all thr reasons you just mentioned and many more. 

 

Which is why it is daft to burn the stuff when we don't need to. 

 

Imagine you were a furniture maker and luckily had a nice forest of trees ideally suited for all sorts of furniture projects. It wasn't a huge forest but, if you used it just for making wooden things it would be sufficient and you could trade some of your wood for other wood when you needed a specific wood you didn't have. 

 

Now do you heat your workshop with a wood fire, cutting down perfectly usable trees to do so? Do you generate the electricity for your workshop with a wood powered generator? All the whole consuming that valuable resource at a rate that will.empty the forest in less than a decade? Or do you use wind and solar etc to do that, only burning some of your valuable wood over the few winter weeks where the suns nd wind are insufficient, so you can make that resource that you cannot make furniture without last longer? 

 

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[JohnMo]

3 minutes ago, Beelbeebub said:

Ah this old chestnut..... 

 

Fossil fuels are absolutely vital to modern life for all thr reasons you just mentioned and many more. 

 

Which is why it is daft to burn the stuff when we don't need to. 

 

Imagine you were a furniture maker and luckily had a nice forest of trees ideally suited for all sorts of furniture projects. It wasn't a huge forest but, if you used it just for making wooden things it would be sufficient and you could trade some of your wood for other wood when you needed a specific wood you didn't have. 

 

Now do you heat your workshop with a wood fire, cutting down perfectly usable trees to do so? Do you generate the electricity for your workshop with a wood powered generator? All the whole consuming that valuable resource at a rate that will.empty the forest in less than a decade? Or do you use wind and solar etc to do that, only burning some of your valuable wood over the few winter weeks where the suns nd wind are insufficient, so you can make that resource that you cannot make furniture without last longer? 

Are you not just arguing for the sake if it? No one one says (well maybe a few some ill informed are) that we must stick with hydrocarbon energy sources. NIMBY's are complaining about anything and everything, even if happens 20 miles from them.

 

If we can get all our energy from renewables (which doesn't include nuclear) let's fill our boots. Distribution of said electric needs to happen, more NIMBY action there. In the time to bring renewables on line oil/gas needs to back fill. All very simple. 

[Beelbeebub]

21 minutes ago, JohnMo said:

Are you not just arguing for the sake if it? No one one says (well maybe a few some ill informed are) that we must stick with hydrocarbon energy sources. NIMBY's are complaining about anything and everything, even if happens 20 miles from them.

 

If we can get all our energy from renewables (which doesn't include nuclear) let's fill our boots. Distribution of said electric needs to happen, more NIMBY action there. In the time to bring renewables on line oil/gas needs to back fill. All very simple. 

More or less, yes to all that. 

 

The central point is that the UK is a waning FF producer because of geology and not any policy. There is no reversing that. No "give more tax credits" or "allow more drilling" that will increace FF production. 

 

The NIMBY's often come up with reasons to be against the various things we need to do. One of those reasons is "claimed change/net zero is a scam, we have plenty of fossil fuels of our lefty government would just let us drill" - that is bollocks. 

 

Of course there are other nimby reasons - "thousands of birds will die", "the view", "rare snail/newt/bat once was seen here", "my house price!"