Scientists trace heat waves back to individual fossil fuel companies, with potentially sweeping courtroom implications

[cjsparkey]

From that graph it looks like since 2010ish the year on year increase in the levels has slowed.if not levelled out compared to the previous decades?

looks like something is happening?

[SteamyTea]

26 minutes ago, ProDave said:

WHY are emissions STILL going up?

 

Are you for real?

 

But to answer it, energy, from what ever source, has/is contributing to higher global standards of living.

We also produce more, with less energy, but as we have, apart from the bottom billion people, managed to secure our food, shelter, healthcare and educational needs, we have all got better off, we are demanding more non essential goods i.e. cars, consumer goods, international recreation travel, second homes etc.

But I know deep down you want to blame it on other countries having too many people, and all the problems are really to do with overpopulation.

The Club of Rome's Limits to Growth, still lingers in the British thinking as if it was a religion, even though it was debunked as soon as it came out. If it was true, a gallon if gasoline would cost 50 quid and a potato would be a tenner.

 

[Roger440]

Im sitting this one out.

 

Theres only one allowable viewpoint on here........................

 

 

[marshian]

Politics, climate change and Covid are three subjects where the populations view has been polarised by the media and now the vast majority sit in two camps with hardened views and no discussion is going to change either sides point of view……..

 

Quite sad really 

[marshian]

4 minutes ago, Roger440 said:

Im sitting this one out.

 

Theres only one allowable viewpoint on here........................

 

 

It’s how the USA got Trump (twice) - food for thought?

 

 

If you have seen it before sorry 

 

now replace Trump with Climate Change or Covid - the video works for both

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[Roger440]

1 minute ago, marshian said:

It’s how the USA got Trump (twice) - food for thought?

 

Not sure i see the relevance. Or maybe you are just re-inforcing my point............................

[marshian]

1 minute ago, Roger440 said:

 

Not sure i see the relevance. Or maybe you are just re-inforcing my point............................

When there is no room for discussion and opposing viewpoints are shut down people are silent for fear of being labelled - they voice their opinion in the only way they can at the ballot box and stick a very large two fingers up to the establishment.

 

I can see that happening in the UK and a complete bunch of fruit cakes standing for reform being given the keys to the bus!!!!

[Roger440]

3 minutes ago, marshian said:

When there is no room for discussion and opposing viewpoints are shut down people are silent for fear of being labelled - they voice their opinion in the only way they can at the ballot box and stick a very large two fingers up to the establishment.

 

I can see that happening in the UK and a complete bunch of fruit cakes standing for reform being given the keys to the bus!!!!

 

Agreed. Your suggested sceanario is almost certainly what will happen. For the reasons you state.

 

And its no different on here. Only one viewpoint allowed.

 

 

 

[SteamyTea]

6 minutes ago, Roger440 said:

And its no different on here. Only one viewpoint allowed

So peer review evidence is one viewpoint, the other is opinion. How about backing up the opinion with peer reviewed evidence. That will level the playing field surely.

 

[dpmiller]

Isn't it nice to just try and tread lightly on the earth?

[Roger440]

25 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

So peer review evidence is one viewpoint, the other is opinion. How about backing up the opinion with peer reviewed evidence. That will level the playing field surely.

 

 

Once again, you are making asumptions about what im saying. Ie, appear to be suggesting im denying that the climate is changing.

 

Ive never said that.

 

My view is about how we deal with that. There are lots of options for that. Ive expressed them before, and therefore will not do so again as theres only one way of tackling it permitted here. All others are shouted down. 

 

Ive failed to follow my own post. But will do from here on.

 

[marshian]

48 minutes ago, dpmiller said:

Isn't it nice to just try and tread lightly on the earth?

Absolutely

[marshian]

I have no doubt that man on this earth has had an influence on the climate - can we reverse it - maybe - should we try absolutely?

 

However is the current path the right one? Can we discuss this? No.........

 

What I really have an issue with is trust in authority (AKA Government) and MSM is broken and their reaction to Covid caused it - it was pretty shakey before but Covid broke it - utterly broke it in my opinion - I'm sure other opinions are equally valid

 

What broke it - the total suppression of discussion - there was no alternative opinion or direction of travel allowed 

 

What was it Elizabeth Arden Said "We are your one point of truth - nothing except what we say is true" Jesus Christ!!!

 

How many statements have been proven to be be false 

 

How many conspiracy theory's ridiculed are now grounded in fact

 

Good luck all because IMO this is all going to end very very badly and no one in power is going to be happy about that 

[Crofter]

May I make a suggestion for some light reading that is pertinent to this discussion? 

 

'Not the end of the world" by Hannah Ritchie... she's what you would call a techno-optimist.

 

To summarise... yes, things are bad, and yes, they are going to get worse. But we are perhaps the first generation capable of actually creating a sustainable world. There are some amazing encouraging signs already.

 

We probably won't hit the 1.5⁰ limit. But the closer we can keep to that, the better. It's better to have 2⁰ of warming than 4⁰.

 

Global population is slowing markedly, and many countries including China have already passed peak per capita emissions. As populations level off total global emissions will fall, even without any major changes in energy use. And we are getting much more efficient with energy all the time. (Just think of how little energy a new build home takes compared to one from a few decades ago! Or a modern EV compared a 1990s Escort that did 35mpg!)

 

Finally, there is plenty of low hanging fruit still available in the fight to cut emissions. It might be unpopular but reducing meat and dairy, and food waste, would be an enormous benefit. The world currently produces more than twice the total food calories needed for its population. But we feed much of that to livestock, and too much goes to waste. 

 

What's generally lacking from current discussions is data. Too many people argue from anecdotes. The numbers are all out there, we don't have to guess.

[-rick-]

8 hours ago, Crofter said:

Finally, there is plenty of low hanging fruit still available in the fight to cut emissions. It might be unpopular but reducing meat and dairy, and food waste, would be an enormous benefit. The world currently produces more than twice the total food calories needed for its population. But we feed much of that to livestock, and too much goes to waste. 

 

I tend to think the focus on this is misguided. It's obviously true but it's one of the things that makes a large number of people reject the idea of making changes to deal with climate change.

 

Maybe it wasn't true in the past but we have the technology now so that we can relatively easily achieve a future with very low emissions without these sorts of changes. Solar, Wind, Batteries are all cheap enough now that it makes sense to use them even ignoring the environmental benefits. SIAC in China has just launched its new MG car there for about $10k with a new type of battery that is both much cheaper to make and much longer range. They claim something like 400miles and very rapid charge.

 

We are very near the point where it is illogical for pretty much anyone to want a fossil fueled vehicle. Theres a guy on Youtube 'Electric Trucker' who vlogs about his job driving electric 40t trucks around Europe. IDK what they cost to buy, but he is easily using up all his allowed driving time in these electric trucks and the charging infrastructure is good enough that it doesn't seem to be causing him much inconvenience at all in his deliverys.

[Mike]

10 hours ago, Crofter said:

It might be unpopular but reducing meat and dairy, and food waste, would be an enormous benefit.

Not sure if it's that unpopular at a population level as there was a >15% reduction between 2008 & 2019 in the UK. However the reasons are unlikely to be entirely environmental; the research hints that cost & health concerns may be factors. I'd guess that shrinkflation may be another, since portion size is a key factor behind the reduction.