Backland Development - Unadopted Road

[-rick-]

I expect there is a much simpler solution to this but I've seen someone on youtube build little motorised trolleys for their bins to take them out front. If you get stuck on this then something to consider.

 

Having said that the one I've seen was based on a guide track and simple motors. If you don't own the road and can't alter it then you'd need something more sophisticated (and the more sophisticated the more difficult I guess it would be to get approval).

 

I'd guess all you need is for something to make it easier for a less able person to move the bin.

[-rick-]

Gah, well this got on my mind so I went down a rabbit hole.

 

There's a whole range of solutions out there:

 

https://www.mastermover.com/applications/bin-mover

https://bintowa.com/

https://www.industar.co.uk/product/tow-tugs-electric-movers/small/

https://wheelieezy.com.au/

https://emoveit.com.au/product/wheelie-bin-aluminium-trailers-3-x-240l-bins

 

All look pricey or need a car/buggy but if its the difference between using the plot or not maybe worth it as a last resort.

 

[Cheesus]

31 minutes ago, -rick- said:

Gah, well this got on my mind so I went down a rabbit hole.

 

There's a whole range of solutions out there:

 

https://www.mastermover.com/applications/bin-mover

https://bintowa.com/

https://www.industar.co.uk/product/tow-tugs-electric-movers/small/

https://wheelieezy.com.au/

https://emoveit.com.au/product/wheelie-bin-aluminium-trailers-3-x-240l-bins

 

All look pricey or need a car/buggy but if its the difference between using the plot or not maybe worth it as a last resort.

 

 

Thanks, the MasterMover looks like it could fit the bill. No idea how the planning office would police it, we're hoping to self build and would be more than happy to drag the bins ourself but I suppose we can have one if it's the difference between getting planning or not. 

 

Just to add a bit more context, this was the emial exchange that followed the report:

 

Highways have come back with the following:

 

“Specifically on the bins, it wouldn’t be a “Highway Safety” reason, I’m not sure we could back it up sufficiently if challenged at appeal.

 

It is however a major amenity issue and possibly discriminatory for those with disabilities. The applicant’s proposal that residents can just drag the bins 80+ metres is heavily reliant on the person being physically able to do so; essentially a restriction for the dwelling to only be available for those who are fully able-bodied. Even then it would still be inconvenient.”

 

I would be minded to agree with that position. Whilst the proposal would not be severely harmful to highways safety contra to Para 116 of the NPPF, I do think there would be grounds for a recommendation of refusal on the basis that the bin pull distance would be very inconvenient and contrary to Section 2.27.02 of the RDG (Pt 1), Section 12.6 of the SDG and Policy LP56(j).

 

Happy to discuss internally if you this would help?

[-rick-]

3 minutes ago, Cheesus said:

Thanks, the MasterMover looks like it could fit the bill. No idea how the planning office would police it, we're hoping to self build and would be more than happy to drag the bins ourself but I suppose we can have one if it's the difference between getting planning or not. 

 

Just to add a bit more context, this was the emial exchange that followed the report:

 

Based on what they say, maybe it would be sufficient to provide storage space/charging connection for an electric assistance device to move the bins, without actually committing to purchase one?

[-rick-]

5 minutes ago, Cheesus said:

Thanks, the MasterMover looks like it could fit the bill.

 

TBH after looking at the others they seemed less suitable. They seem to require custom trays for the bins and they are focussed on bigger commercial size bins. 

 

But seems to be plenty of options so I'm sure you can find something if it's acceptable as a solution.

[Cheesus]

7 minutes ago, -rick- said:

 

Based on what they say, maybe it would be sufficient to provide storage space/charging connection for an electric assistance device to move the bins, without actually committing to purchase one?

 

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's the only issue / potential issue against the development so hopefully some mitigation would get us over the line. It's not like there are other issues and it would be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. I appreciate your help, we'll explore the possibility of looking to design something and incorporate as and when the time comes for our application. 

 

Thanks for the input. 

[torre]

3 hours ago, Cheesus said:

There is room for a bin on the access road but we don't own the road so not sure if this is an option.

 

3 hours ago, Cheesus said:

existing collection arrangements for the properties at nos xx and xx xxxx also exceed the recommended pull distances

Maybe you could suggest to highways (and your local councillor) that this is an opportunity to solve an accessibility issue for these existing properties too? Is there's room for a convenient collection point for multiple bins ?