nod Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 We booked the removal guys to move the heavy items About half of our stuff They asked for a day rate 3 men Six hundred quid cash That’s fine Whilst my working day starts at 6am I do realize that most will be less keen Day of the move They rocked up at 10am Had a puncher on the way Lucky there was a Macdonalds near by to get breakfast while waiting for the AA Anyway first load on for 11 dropped off at the new place and back for 12 They needed to see Gregg for an hour Came back and asked for another 500 quid to finish the job Had us by the balls so to speak I reluctantly agreed But changed my my mind at 6 pm when everything was moved and spent the next hour arguing with there irate movers What happened to a price being a price No one seems to want to work anymore Fair-low has a lot to answer for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Do you mean they wanted £1100? I would have offered them £60 for their work so far and told them to do one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) I hate when a fixed price becomes a new price later … Once had a roofer remove all the roof tiles and then suddenly “ it was more work than I thought “ . No issues found , simply trying it on . I told him he could have the extra he had asked for if he asked me for it in front his labourers and fought me for it . He agreed to the original price and finished the job . Ffs - how to piss me off extremely quickly . Edited August 3 by Pocster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Like @Pocster said, you have to be prepared to say 'no'. I also think you need to start to nip things in the bud as soon as you detect some initial nonsense, otherwise you signal them that they can take the piss. I appreciate this is sometimes easier said than done. If there is a true 'undiscovered problem' I do try to be sympathetic. As I've said elsewhere on BH - bigger contractors will sometimes just try this on on a bigger scale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Whenever I used to quote for work I always had a caveat that the price would be negotiated before continuing if unforeseen problems were found. Only fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, bassanclan said: Do you mean they wanted £1100? I would have offered them £60 for their work so far and told them to do one! We were so tempted But with our buyer moving in two days later We would have struggled It got to a point where I just said Take what I’m offering Or you get nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 I find it depressing that 'everyone' is running a heist these days, even governement departments. It seems to be accepted practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 16 minutes ago, nod said: We were so tempted But with our buyer moving in two days later We would have struggled It got to a point where I just said Take what I’m offering Or you get nothing Called being over a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 2 minutes ago, joe90 said: Called being over a barrel. Yep Probably try it on each job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 In hindsight, what were the warning signs? Irish travellers? Some other flavour of dishonest, tax dodging, uninsured oiks with not a contract or fixed address in sight? If you don't have a negotiating position it's always a risk hiring petty criminals Arriving for 10 rather than 8? That's fine I'm ok with you stopping by until 7. Don't mind if you prefer starting at 10 to miss the traffic either. Need to leave after 2 hours work? That's fine. I'll owe you £150 of the £600; less whatever extra it's going to cost me to hire an adult to finish the job at short notice. We can settle up once the hours have been done though and you might even owe me. Letting them finish the job then reneging on the renegotiated deal is karma though! Worth a nice letter to HMRC, the work and pensions folks, and the child support allowance folks as their reward perhaps? 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, markocosic said: In hindsight, what were the warning signs? Irish travellers? Some other flavour of dishonest, tax dodging, uninsured oiks with not a contract or fixed address in sight? If you don't have a negotiating position it's always a risk hiring petty criminals Arriving for 10 rather than 8? That's fine I'm ok with you stopping by until 7. Don't mind if you prefer starting at 10 to miss the traffic either. Need to leave after 2 hours work? That's fine. I'll owe you £150 of the £600; less whatever extra it's going to cost me to hire an adult to finish the job at short notice. We can settle up once the hours have been done though and you might even owe me. Letting them finish the job then reneging on the renegotiated deal is karma though! Worth a nice letter to HMRC, the work and pensions folks, and the child support allowance folks as their reward perhaps? 🙂 Exactly I think Delboy has paid more tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, nod said: Exactly I think Delboy has paid more tax I must be out of touch £600 for a day and the trip was not far away if they were back in an hour $600 cash is really about £800 if they paid tax + ni etc -- so it would have been a no at the start from me - or certainlt no pay till job was done + no a;terations world is full of chancers these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyT Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Day rate for me is a no! Fixed price only. Agree, sign contract if you have too. everyone knows where they stand. Im a bricklayer on price work. Dropped on here and there day work rate. I only go at one pace and really winds me up when someone I’m working with tells me to slow down because we’re on day rate today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 don't understand why someone who has done so much of the build wouldn't just hire a van and do a bit of graft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, dpmiller said: don't understand why someone who has done so much of the build wouldn't just hire a van and do a bit of graft? We did that last time I’m still doing a bit of graft plus trying to run a business also Can’t do everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 53 minutes ago, DannyT said: Day rate for me is a no! Fixed price only. Agree, sign contract if you have too. everyone knows where they stand. Im a bricklayer on price work. Dropped on here and there day work rate. I only go at one pace and really winds me up when someone I’m working with tells me to slow down because we’re on day rate today! The lads that work for my business are all on price But some jobs have to be done on a day rate I paid the Brickies 20k for a 420 m2 house and garage But also paid bits of daywork for chimney Trestleing etc Comes with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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