Adamantium Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Dear All, I am now going through in detail the costings for the build and am looking to reduce areas as much as possible. i have looked at IDSystems and was pleasantly surprised by their quote for two sets of sliding doors (one four panel spanning 7.5m and one two panel spanning about 5m). I'm just wondering before I commit to them mentally if there are obvious other companies I should be talking to. I've been told that rather than a smooth gliding system where the weight of the glass is always on the wheels, I should consider a levered system that rests the frames on the ground when the glass is not travelling to avoid accelerated wear and mishaping of the wheels, bearings and carriages - any truth in this? Thanks in advance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 We have a 4m wide Internorm HS330 'lift and slide'. Its a thing of engineering beauty but not cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oranjeboom Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Depends what you consider pleasant pricing, but I am so far pleased with my 3G slider from Kommerling which is a lift and slide. I bought it from the continent however, but probably worth considering despite the current crap exchange rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravelld Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Barney12 said: We have a 4m wide Internorm HS330 'lift and slide'. Its a thing of engineering beauty but not cheap I realise I could ask them, but if you happen to know, do you know their maximum width? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, gravelld said: I realise I could ask them, but if you happen to know, do you know their maximum width? 5.8m wide by 2.8m tall. But I believe they make an "XL" version which can go even bigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravelld Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) On 8/9/2017 at 18:45, Barney12 said: We have a 4m wide Internorm HS330 'lift and slide'. Its a thing of engineering beauty but not cheap Are you still happy with it? We looked at the Internorm HS330 and their UPCV equivalent KS430 in a showroom. I agree, seems very nice, but not cheap. The timber version not only costs more, but also weighs a lot more too - significantly harder to open/close/slide which swayed us towards the plastic version. We're looking at a triple glazed sliding door with a low-profile sill for an upstairs room onto a small balcony, the opening is 3m wide by 2.7m high. As a single unit the height seems to rule out all of the suppliers I've looked at (other than Internorm), but have I overlooked anyone? Thanks! Update: To be clear, looking for installation too. Edited January 28, 2018 by DenkiJidousha Clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 hours ago, DenkiJidousha said: Are you still happy with it? Yes, and it’s one of the few of our Internorm windows which doesn’t leak and isnt difficult to lock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Thanks @Barney12, that's mixed praise but positive on the Internorm HS330 sliding door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moira Niedzwiecka Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Hi @DenkiJidousha Try Ideal combi. Not sure if they can do that size though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Thanks - certainly Ideal Combi have a low-profile sliding door, but the website is light on details like maximum sizes: https://idealcombi.com/doors/sliding-doors/low-threshold-sliding-door/ Zooming in on their photos, it seems these sliding doors use some sort of lever in each of the four corners which supports the moving panel. I'm curious to see more details of this mechanism, but suspect it puts a weight limit on the frame and glass - so it unlikely to work on larger panels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) You’ll find the technical drawings here. https://products.idealcombi.com/en/product/futura-plus-sliding-door-with-low-threshold/ From my understanding width and height is certainly an issue. You may find the max sizes here or by giving them a call. Edited January 30, 2018 by craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvincentd Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 29/01/2018 at 22:32, DenkiJidousha said: Zooming in on their photos, it seems these sliding doors use some sort of lever in each of the four corners which supports the moving panel. Be sure to discern the two different types they offer; https://products.idealcombi.com/en/product/futura-plus-sliding-door-with-low-threshold/ https://products.idealcombi.com/en/product/futura-plus-sliding-door/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 We have two 4.5m Gaulhofer lift & slide (The inline 91 slim style). Very pleased with the style and performance (triple glazed passive certified), despite the weight you can move it with a single finger once its on the wheels. We built up the internal and external floor to be flush with the door threshold - looks very sharp. I know they can go much larger in size so your budget is the limit We looked at Internorm, also nice, but when we tried to get the price down their suggestion was to flip from alu clad timber / alu clad UVPC which was not what we wanted at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Another possibility: Solarlux SL 160 lift-and-slide-system, maximum panel height of 3400 mm, width of 3200 mm https://www.solarlux.co.uk/en/sliding-systems/terrasse-balkon-wintergarten.cfm (I've seen several references to their bifold doors on here, but not to their lift-and-slide) Edited February 16, 2018 by DenkiJidousha typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 08:33, Bitpipe said: We have two 4.5m Gaulhofer lift & slide (The inline 91 slim style). Very pleased with the style and performance (triple glazed passive certified), despite the weight you can move it with a single finger once its on the wheels. We built up the internal and external floor to be flush with the door threshold - looks very sharp. I know they can go much larger in size so your budget is the limit Budget may well be the limit According to https://www.gaulhofer.com/uk/contact/search-authorized-dealers their only official UK dealer is EcoWin, but luckily they're only an hour or so away from us. I've emailed an enquiry. On 1/31/2018 at 08:33, Bitpipe said: We looked at Internorm, also nice, but when we tried to get the price down their suggestion was to flip from alu clad timber / alu clad UVPC which was not what we wanted at all. I preferred the look of the wood/aluminium Internorm HS330, but their UPVC/aluminium KS430 was cheaper and noticeably lighter which swung us. We were going to go with that, but the installation price has just jumped after their site visit assessment, so I'm rethinking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitpipe Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, DenkiJidousha said: Budget may well be the limit According to https://www.gaulhofer.com/uk/contact/search-authorized-dealers their only official UK dealer is EcoWin, but luckily they're only an hour or so away from us. I've emailed an enquiry. I preferred the look of the wood/aluminium Internorm HS330, but their UPVC/aluminium KS430 was cheaper and noticeably lighter which swung us. We were going to go with that, but the installation price has just jumped after their site visit assessment, so I'm rethinking this. Thomas at Ecowin has done a couple of builds here, including mine. I had a good experience with them but Gaulhofer are not a budget brand WRT weight, whats the concern? I can move my 500kg slider with a single finger... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudda Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I've the Internorm UPVC/aluminium KS430 in my own house that's 5.4m wide 2.2m high and very happy with it. Moves very easy. Couldn't afford the timber version myself but I'm putting in the wood/aluminium Internorm HS330 in another house for a client. The problem I have is the KS430 can go to 6.5m wide so presumed the timber HS330 was the same and designed an ope 6.5m wide and 2.7m high. Having to reduce the ope to 5.8m wide now as I don't want a joint. The only other timber aluclad 2.7m high lift and slide I could find was Platin 82 Josko's Slim but was a lot more expensive. Not sure if they could do the large width I want as I stopped inquiring when I saw the price. I've no idea how the OP would get 7.5m in one piece without going aluminium section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Once up on their wheels, the Internorm HS330 and KS430 both run easily - single finger. However, if fitted with the slam protection widget (I don't recall its official name), you need a bit of muscle or technique to open them. There's the handle turn to lift, then leaning with your body was recommended to overcome this safety tensioner. The sales person did say many of their elderly customers deliberate do not have this soft closing feature because it makes opening that little bit harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeVanCleef Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Any recommendations for/against Reynaers CP130/CP155, Sunflex SVG or Origin? Velfac were also on the list but their max size doesn't quite work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenkiJidousha Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We had our Internorm UPVC/aluminium KS430 big sliding door installed summer 2018, and it has as hoped improved the room comfort - warmer in winter and cooler in summer (although the weather has been relatively mild so not stress tested yet), in addition to improving the view! Being able to leave the dock open half an inch (or more) in the locked position is very handy for ventilation while out of the house. I've yet to convince my spouse that we should replace the rest of the old double glazing, but did go as far as getting quotes from Internorm/Scotia and EcoWin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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