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As most will know we purchased two side by side plots and a field at the back with planning in principle for two homes The planning for the second plot runs out in six months Is there any way we can renew the planning without going to a full detailed planning permission Our Architect thinks not 
Any suggestions 

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19 minutes ago, Jilly said:

Start digging the founds and get Building Control out? It's open forever then, isn't it?

Thanks Jilly

 

We would have to spend on full technical detail 4K 

We would prefer just to keep the planning open 

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As I recall they stopped allowing planning permission extensions some years back to stop developers starting on large land banks. So you have to reapply. Normally that's not a problem but can be if policy changes.

 

Were both plots on one planning grant? That might make a difference.

 

If you want to extend it by starting work it normally has to be a lawful start so you have to comply with any planning conditions that say "Before work starts...". But it sounds like you know this.

 

I do know of a windfarm that got its planning extended by constructing the site entrance. Normally for houses they want the foundations dug and inspected by BC but I don't think that's what the law says is required. It might be possible to do something else that counts as starting and apply for a certificate of lawful development on the grounds work has started. 

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11 hours ago, nod said:

Thanks Jilly

 

We would have to spend on full technical detail 4K 

We would prefer just to keep the planning open 

 

Dig a single wall in  have it inspected.

 

or roll the dice on a planning refusal once it expires, £4k will seem a pittance then.

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What makes you think in X years planning would be refused?  Planning was granted for 2 houses when it was a bare field.  Now one house is built why do you think it less likely the second would be approved again?

 

So wait until you are ready.  If it was refused then you have good grounds for appeal.

 

Digging a trench and pouring concrete does not constitute "starting" as you have no approved plans to build from (reserved matters) and I bet there is a "development not to start until approved matters are agreed" clause.

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8 minutes ago, ProDave said:

What makes you think in X years planning would be refused?  Planning was granted for 2 houses when it was a bare field.  Now one house is built why do you think it less likely the second would be approved again?

 

So wait until you are ready.  If it was refused then you have good grounds for appeal.

 

Digging a trench and pouring concrete does not constitute "starting" as you have no approved plans to build from (reserved matters) and I bet there is a "development not to start until approved matters are agreed" clause.

 

ahh its a outline only plot. You could still comment but the council would likely enforce against you.

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I agree Dave There’s planning in principle for two We applied for all the regs for just one Planners even expressed concerns that a bare patch was being left We applied to use a second entrance to the field for off road parking Which was declined and told to use the other plot But went on to say If both plots where being started simultaneously They would grant temporary off road parking 

 

Our Architect has a vested interest as he wants to buy the second plot 

It could be why this keeps coming up 

I don’t want to commit to technical detail only to change it all in 12 months 

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12 minutes ago, nod said:

Our Architect has a vested interest as he wants to buy the second plot 

It could be why this keeps coming up 

I don’t want to commit to technical detail only to change it all in 12 months 

So get your architect to make an offer to you to buy the plot "subject to planning permission"  Architect then applies for full planning and once granted the sale completes.  No more cost to him as he has to do the plans anyway, and if he is quick he gets the reserved matters application in before the PIP runs out.

 

Then he can do the dig a trench to "start" if he wants to lock in the planning for some future build date.

 

Almost exactly what we did with our plot.

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It is worth corresponding with your planners.  In my case condition 1 of the planning permission said the access onto the highway must be formed prior to any other building work on site.  When I started on that I wrote to them to notifiy that I had started and they replied confirming that the development had started.

 

If I had wanted to I could have left the site indefinitely before continuing as they had confirmed the development had started by forming the access onto the road.

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Hi Nod

 

I'm not aware of planning in principle. 

 

We are in a situation where we have fully planning permission and want to "commence" to prevent our planning application from expiring in less than a year. Our building inspector advised to "lay a length of drain" and suggested "a min of 3m to a connection", following this they will come to inspect and sign off as commenced. 

 

Would anyone know if there's a standard depth that this length of drain needs to be or does it depend and vary from one site to another? Thank you. Our builder (won't be doing the main build) is messing about saying its going to rain for two weeks and I have started wondering if we can/ should just get the Kango out. 

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On 04/03/2023 at 08:41, nod said:

I agree Dave There’s planning in principle for two We applied for all the regs for just one Planners even expressed concerns that a bare patch was being left We applied to use a second entrance to the field for off road parking Which was declined and told to use the other plot But went on to say If both plots where being started simultaneously They would grant temporary off road parking 

 

Our Architect has a vested interest as he wants to buy the second plot 

It could be why this keeps coming up 

I don’t want to commit to technical detail only to change it all in 12 months 

 

if the two plots are the same planning permission starting one starts both.

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