So we have planning permission - can we change the roof without reapplying?

[CalvinHobbes]

A builder suggested we change from standing seam on the plans to tile if we want to save money.  Still awaiting quotes re standing seam but in the even it was too high could we use tiles instead without having to go through planning?

[Conor]

Your architect is the person to ask as you'll need to have your drawings updated.

Yes, think that's beyond a non material change... But should be straightforward. Put application in and keep building in the mean time.

[Kelvin]

Have you looked at Catnic or Greencoat ? 
 

I’m having a similar issue but less cost and more finding someone to quote for the work. I’ve contacted many companies and a third of them aren’t taking on new work for the rest of this year. A local builder said to change to tiles as there is a greater choice of roofers in the area. 

[CalvinHobbes]

12 minutes ago, Kelvin said:

Have you looked at Catnic or Greencoat ? 
 

I’m having a similar issue but less cost and more finding someone to quote for the work. I’ve contacted many companies and a third of them aren’t taking on new work for the rest of this year. A local builder said to change to tiles as there is a greater choice of roofers in the area. 

Same issue here, I thought it was because we are in the back of beyond. Hadn't checked Catnic, not given up yet just a bit frustrated.

[Declan52]

Have you priced up a black corrugated roof. Plenty of them around here. A guy who used to be a member here used it on his build. You can see if in Google maps, the address is 76 Belfast Rd, Ballynahinch BT24 7HE. It's set back from the road behind the green sheds. 

[Kelvin]

1 hour ago, CalvinHobbes said:

Same issue here, I thought it was because we are in the back of beyond. Hadn't checked Catnic, not given up yet just a bit frustrated.

whereabouts is the back of beyond? Have you contacted the metal roofing company? They gave me a list of installers for Greencoat which I’m working my way through. I am expecting some quotes back this coming week but they’ve been saying that since last month and December. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Kelvin

[nod]

Going from tile to seam could well cause you issues But from modern to traditional won’t cause you any issues with planners 

 

I thought wages would have dropped by now But prices are still going up with trades still fully booked Especially anything specialist 

 

I’ve a friend who does this kind of work He has seven lads working for him He’s booked up for most of this year Partly due to the bad weather 

He hardly worked in the six week run up to Christmas Most others will be the same 

 

I hired a bumpa hoist from Speedy in November It took them a week to locate one over 200 miles away 

I’ve booked it again this week Only to find it’s still at my local depot 

Roofers will recouped what they have lost over the coming months 

[DevilDamo]

You would normally have three options in order to make changes…

 

1. Non-material amendment

2. Variation of Condition

3. Householder/Full application

 

Option 1 - I don’t think the LPA would treat that change as a minor amendment. LPA’s have their own views on what they would consider as non-material. There would be a fee and a determination period of approx. 4 weeks.

 

Option 2 - A common way to vary/change a condition of which you would vary the condition that relates to the approved drawings. There would be a fee and a determination period of approx. 8 weeks.

 

Option 3 - This would be a revised application of the one you had submitted and received approval for. You didn’t mention whether it was a Householder or Full application. You may be exempt from paying a fee and there would be a determination period of approx. 8 weeks.

 

Depending on the conditions attached to your approval, you may also have the option of submitting a Discharge of Conditions application. But only if there is a condition that specially relates to submitted details and/or samples of the proposed materials.

[Papillon]

What do your conditions say? It will be on the approval letter.

 

Often they treat materials as reserved matters, and you decide after you get planning. 

[CalvinHobbes]

1 hour ago, Papillon said:

What do your conditions say? It will be on the approval letter.

 

Often they treat materials as reserved matters, and you decide after you get planning. 

Nothing regarding materials other than it notes the materials are high quality on the design.

[Papillon]

9 hours ago, CalvinHobbes said:

Nothing regarding materials other than it notes the materials are high quality on the design.

Oh that’s unusual. I guess they have described the materials in your application somewhere. 
 

hmmm yes, contact the planner firstly. Then they will probably ask you to do an amendment.
 

 

[IanR]

9 hours ago, CalvinHobbes said:

Nothing regarding materials other than it notes the materials are high quality on the design.

 

Is the roof finish detailed on the drawings? You likely have a condition that states the development must be in line with the "named" drawings submitted as part of the application.

[CalvinHobbes]

4 hours ago, IanR said:

 

Is the roof finish detailed on the drawings? You likely have a condition that states the development must be in line with the "named" drawings submitted as part of the application.

Looked again and yup 'the development shall be carried out in accordance with the stamped approved drawings'.

Fair enough, the planners were decent to grant us permission and not looking to cheese them off. 

[IanR]

15 minutes ago, CalvinHobbes said:

Fair enough, the planners were decent to grant us permission and not looking to cheese them off. 

 

The planners may well be open to a change, but you'll need to request it formally, hopefully just by varying a condition (drawing update). Once you know what your preferred roof finish is it's worth a chat with the planning officer.

Edited February 6, 2023 by IanR

[Carrerahill]

On 04/02/2023 at 20:03, CalvinHobbes said:

A builder suggested we change from standing seam on the plans to tile if we want to save money.  Still awaiting quotes re standing seam but in the even it was too high could we use tiles instead without having to go through planning?

Your roof may not be rated for the weight of tile - speak to your design team first. Probably will be fine but roof could have been sized and calc'ed on the lighter option.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Carrerahill