Airless paint spraying advice

[K78]

Is this the spraytech machine mentioned in this thread?

[Ferdinand]

On 07/06/2019 at 17:49, K78 said:

I’m considering picking one of these up over the weekend. 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/wagner-control-pro-350m-electric-airless-paint-sprayer-520w/8314x

 

Is it a good choice? Or is the Graco a better option?

 

As discussed upthread, I have a Wagner Project Pro 119 machine. New is 700-750 £££ If still in production. Probably lowish end of pro range vs the upper end of DIY range cited above.

 

it it is described as suitable for independent professionals. Power 720W. Pressure to 200 Bar.

 

The 15m pipe is worth its weight.

 

IMO key things are practising - allow a day to get to grips initially .. on eg a shed or garage, paint choice, and not reusing containers ever after they have dried. Each time it gets bunged up with gloopy paint or crunchy bits you lose 30-60 minutes. Overall you will spend more time prepping than painting, but it is still 5x quicker.

 

On paint choice, I have used Leyland Trade and Valspar successfully, and also paint from professional decorating companies who do major paint jobs themselves, making sure that it is the same stuff they use.

 

I have tried Dulux once, and it was too claggy for my machine, despite Wickes claims that it was OK. Was something in the formulation. Total disaster that bunged it all up and we ended up using rollers and 3 extra days painting.. TEST WITH A SMALL 5L pot first. Never Dulux again for me with this machine. NEVER. JSH has a more DIY machine that may be a little less demanding.

 

NEVER put new paint into an old container that has dried paint in it. Your nozzle is about 0.2mm and it will block. Even of you use a bucket get cheap ones and switch to a new one as soon as any has dried on the old one. Ideally open a new 10l paint container and use it completely each time. If you have a half left, start anew nex5 time and leave the other for brushes and rollers.

 

On an example of how fast these things can paint we did about 4 coats on a 30m by 7m average height wall within a 24 hour period from a staff tower, starting from the raw breeze locks. This was doing up a 7000sqft industrial unit in one weekend.

 

But you will come to your own policies.

 

Ferdinand

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Ferdinand

[K78]

4 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

 

As discussed upthread, I have a Wagner Project Pro 119 machine. New is 700-750 £££ If still in production. Probably lowish end of pro range vs the upper end of DIY range cited above.

 

it it is described as suitable for independent professionals. Power 720W. Pressure to 200 Bar.

 

IMO key things are practising - allow a day to get to grips initially .. on eg a shed or garage, paint choice, and not reusing containers ever after they have dried. Each time it gets bunged up with gloopy paint or crunchy bits you lose 30-60 minutes. Overall you will spend more time prepping than painting, but it is still 5x quicker.

 

On paint choice, I have used Leyland Trade and Valspar successfully, and also paint from professional decorating companies who do major paint jobs themselves, making sure that it is the same stuff they use.

 

I have tried Dulux once, and it was too claggy .. total disaster that bunged it all up and we ended up using rollers and 3 extra days painting.. TEST WITH A SMALL 5L pot first. Never Dulux again for me. NEVER.

 

NEVER put new paint into an old container that has dried paint in it. Your nozzle is about 0.2mm and it will block. Even of you use a bucket get cheap ones and switch to a new one as soon as any has dried on the old one. Ideally open a new 10l paint container and use it each time.

 

On an example of how fast these things can paint we did about 4 coats on a 30m by 7m average height wall within a 24 hour period.

 

But you will come to your own policies.

 

Ferdinand

 

Thanks for the advice. I’ve been looking at the replacement for your model today (virtually identical). It has the added benefit of being able to accept different attachments over the one I posted. 

 

The screwfix one only has its own new low pressure attachment. 

 

Ive been told to look out for paint with the “red sprayable logo”. 

 

[Ferdinand]

1 minute ago, K78 said:

 

Thanks for the advice. I’ve been looking at the replacement for your model today (virtually identical). It has the added benefit of being able to accept different attachments over the one I posted. 

 

The screwfix one only has its own new low pressure attachment. 

 

Ive been told to look out for paint with the “red sprayable logo”. 

 

 

With better designs machines you get little facilities like components that get blocked that can be reversed so you can blow them out with the machine itself.

 

On the logo, I now know what paints work for me in my applications so I will continue to use them as they do what I need.

 

Ferdinand

[Ferdinand]

15 minutes ago, K78 said:

 

Thanks for the advice. I’ve been looking at the replacement for your model today (virtually identical). It has the added benefit of being able to accept different attachments over the one I posted. 

 

The screwfix one only has its own new low pressure attachment. 

 

Ive been told to look out for paint with the “red sprayable logo”. 

 

 

Piccies here

https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/5596-spraying-emulsion/#comment-91898

[K78]

16 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

 

With better designs machines you get little facilities like components that get blocked that can be reversed so you can blow them out with the machine itself.

 

On the logo, I now know what paints work for me in my applications so I will continue to use them as they do what I need.

 

Ferdinand

 

I’m thinking of pulling the trigger on this. It is a bit more than I wanted to spend but it has a 5 year warranty. 

 

https://www.sprayequipment.co.uk/airless-sprayers-wagner/wagner-ps3-20-airless-sprayer.html

 

 

[Ferdinand]

11 hours ago, K78 said:

 

I’m thinking of pulling the trigger on this. It is a bit more than I wanted to spend but it has a 5 year warranty. 

 

https://www.sprayequipment.co.uk/airless-sprayers-wagner/wagner-ps3-20-airless-sprayer.html

 

 

 

The only awkwardness I can see is no wheels, and how it will address 10l tubs of paint - if you are going to be using scores of these it needs to be neat and quick, otherwise you risk spilling paint and walking it everywhere unintentionally.

 

How does it do this? And are there any precarious balancing exercises of piles of blocks to give it the height?

 

Mine is 18kg which is manageable but awkward. The trolley goes up and down from the axis of the wheels like a Hollywood Robot to fit in a car.

 

You also need to consider the exit route and future use. I am a serial renovator for rental, so it will save me 3 or 4 days on average once a year.

 

(Have you tried advertising in Marketplace forum - I bought mine form a Buildhubber).

F

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by Ferdinand

[K78]

6 hours ago, Ferdinand said:

 

The only awkwardness I can see is no wheels, and how it will address 10l tubs of paint - if you are going to be using scores of these it needs to be neat and quick, otherwise you risk spilling paint and walking it everywhere unintentionally.

 

How does it do this? And are there any precarious balancing exercises of piles of blocks to give it the height?

 

Mine is 18kg which is manageable but awkward. The trolley goes up and down from the axis of the wheels like a Hollywood Robot to fit in a car.

 

You also need to consider the exit route and future use. I am a serial renovator for rental, so it will save me 3 or 4 days on average once a year.

 

(Have you tried advertising in Marketplace forum - I bought mine form a Buildhubber).

F

 

 

The hose goes directly into the bucket. It’s identical to a Titan 400 just badged as Wagner for Eu and aus. 

 

Ive seen a few used machines for sale but they are £500+ and you don’t really know what you are buying.

 

I’m considering a weekend in Vegas and bringing a Graco 390 back. Would be cheaper than buying one over here. 

 

I will be keeping it rather than selling it on. 

[Alexphd1]

Vegas baby... now your talking! 

[Alexphd1]

Have you had a look on American fleebay (ebay.com)? There was a few selling new machines back when I was looking around, I have bought a lot of dewalt power tools that way.

[Ferdinand]

Remember to buy the machine on the way TO Vegas, not the way back.

[Alexphd1]

quick butchers 1st few that came up 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TITAN-IMPACT-440-AIRLESS-PAINT-SPAYER-WITH-HOSE-AND-GUN-101645-1-EB/283489010268?hash=item420143025c:g:~EwAAOSwJYZc4COV&frcectupt=true

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Graco-490-Ultimate-MX-II-PC-Pro-Paint-Sprayer-bundled-w-Hose-and-Gun/283496299641?epid=1475638985&hash=item4201b23c79:g:kE8AAOSwOstc3H3B

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Graco-Nova-390-PC-Pro-Connect-Electric-Airless-Paint-Sprayer/264359369096?epid=2256164711&hash=item3d8d0bd988:g:9~IAAOSwR5FdAPah

Edited June 12, 2019 by Alexphd1

[Alexphd1]

My sprayer is on wheels, i find them clumsy esp when you are working just yourself. I would prefer just moving the pick up tube.

Edited June 12, 2019 by Alexphd1

[K78]

2 hours ago, Alexphd1 said:

quick butchers 1st few that came up 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TITAN-IMPACT-440-AIRLESS-PAINT-SPAYER-WITH-HOSE-AND-GUN-101645-1-EB/283489010268?hash=item420143025c:g:~EwAAOSwJYZc4COV&frcectupt=true

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Graco-490-Ultimate-MX-II-PC-Pro-Paint-Sprayer-bundled-w-Hose-and-Gun/283496299641?epid=1475638985&hash=item4201b23c79:g:kE8AAOSwOstc3H3B

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Graco-Nova-390-PC-Pro-Connect-Electric-Airless-Paint-Sprayer/264359369096?epid=2256164711&hash=item3d8d0bd988:g:9~IAAOSwR5FdAPah

 

‘Some bargains there. Why so many love Eu import duty and vat I will never understand. 

 

I seen a tritech t4 on eBay but they have mixed reviews. 

Edited June 12, 2019 by K78

[Alexphd1]

The tritech T4 looks a direct rival to the graco 390. I think the graco 390 inc del & import tax for US$900 (£710) is a pretty good deal.

[K78]

2 hours ago, Alexphd1 said:

The tritech T4 looks a direct rival to the graco 390. I think the graco 390 inc del & import tax for US$900 (£710) is a pretty good deal.

 

That isn’t bad at all. I might go for that. I didn’t see the $40 uk shipping fee. 

[Ferdinand]

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(already covered)

Edited June 13, 2019 by Ferdinand

[K78]

I tried to buy the Titan 440 but shipping was a lot more than eBay quoted. 

[K78]

Took a chance on a used Wagner 3.21. It’s the Eu model of the Titan 440. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by K78

[K78]

Painted my hallway this morning. Took less than 20 mins.

 

HEA tips make a huge difference. Very little overspray or air borne paint particles. 

[SiBee]

Post resurrection!

would any of you chaps know what spraying equipment you would use for paint suitable on upvc? I am thinking of spraying some older window frames (exterior) and some of the companies who do this sort of work are confident that next to no overspray is produced.

[Big Jimbo]

32 minutes ago, SiBee said:

Post resurrection!

would any of you chaps know what spraying equipment you would use for paint suitable on upvc? I am thinking of spraying some older window frames (exterior) and some of the companies who do this sort of work are confident that next to no overspray is produced.

The painting systems used for plastics involve specialist primers etc. I have used a pure HVLP that i have had for a good few years, with a quality gun, that i can wind the pattern from about 15" wide down to about 1". The only paints i know of for spraying plastic are acid cat paints (2 part) so you have to take care of breathing it in, aand should always have a seperate air fed mask.

[gc100]

I'm considering the https://www.screwfix.com/p/wagner-control-pro-350m-electric-airless-paint-sprayer-520w/8314x

 

However I have a lot of vaulted ceilings  - what distance does the gun head need to be away from the wall/ceiling? I have a small scaffold towner I can use, but I'm wondering if a roller on a extension stick would be just as quick?

 

Any thoughts?

Thanks

[Mr Punter]

You need to be within 600mm for it to work properly.  You also need to keep the nozzle a uniform distance from the what you are painting.  The sprayers need lots of prep and cleanup.  Any lumps in the paint are a no-no.  If the surface is good, the finish is excellent, but you cannot touch in any mess-ups without it showing.