ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Old toilet in our old house is very slow to drain. It will fill up the pan, let out a gurgle or two then slowly drain. Some-one suggested it may be a siphonic toilet, something I'd never heard of till then. Toilet u-bend shape https://ibb.co/NVVtKb0 Inside cistern https://ibb.co/DK65Tyy The middle seal let's the water out, the one on the left doesn't move unless I manually lift it. Since playing with it the water drains quicker but not what I'd say with any force to remove solids. I've tried chemicals, a short auger, garden hose incase there was a blockage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 https://www.wholesaledomestic.com/hudson-reed-richmond-close-coupled-toilet-pan-and-cistern-ccr014 £150 for a new one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tennentslager said: https://www.wholesaledomestic.com/hudson-reed-richmond-close-coupled-toilet-pan-and-cistern-ccr014 £150 for a new one... Hoping to avoid installing a new toilet as hopefully turning the room into a shower room soon - budget allowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Definitely not a siphonic WC. Take the cistern off, replace the flush siphon, and that’ll get you through until the rooms re-done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Nickfromwales said: Definitely not a siphonic WC. Take the cistern off, replace the flush siphon, and that’ll get you through until the rooms re-done. Cheers. It lets out water fine from the cistern, just doesn't want to drain from the bowl with any speed. I may need to relent and phone a plumber, or buy some enzymes. The toilet had several packets of old medicated toilet paper in the room, my suspects are that's caused a blockage somewhere. It's also a vertical drop to the space below the floor (barely a crawl space) and enters the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Take the toilet out and get a set of drain rods down the pipe. Find all your outside inspection chambers and get the lids off for a look. The blockage might be a long way from the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, ProDave said: Take the toilet out and get a set of drain rods down the pipe. Tried it from outside but wasn't sure what access point was for the toilet. But, as per usual, your right. It's been siliconed around the joints (can see it in the photo), so presumably peel that off and would need to be redone on fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Sounds like a partial blockage in the drain. Symphonic wc do fill up the pan but then drain out more rapidly than you describe. As I recall the waste outlet pipe is a smaller diameter on a syphonic so I don't think you have one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Taking that out is a suicide mission. The cement going into the clay will all expand and likely shatter the clay pipe. Get a proper janitors mop, jam it into the throat of the WC and hold it down. Then flush. When the pan fills full of water use the mop, lifting it up and then thrusting it back down rapidly, into the throat of the loo, again and again to punch the water through the U bend of the pan. That’ll have as good an effect as anything, and after that, if no discernible results are achieved, you may as well admit defeat for now. Remember that if you buy a modern loo to replace this, it will have the crappy 4-6L flush capacity so don’t get your hopes up there. Best route to maximise efforts first as last would be to buy and fit the new intended loo, and whilst removed use that opportunity to clean the pipes out with rods / other. Bon voyage!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Temp said: Sounds like a partial blockage in the drain. Symphonic wc do fill up the pan but then drain out more rapidly than you describe. As I recall the waste outlet pipe is a smaller diameter on a syphonic so I don't think you have one of those. The pans are much fatter at the base also iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 29 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Taking that out is a suicide mission. The cement going into the clay will all expand and likely shatter the clay pipe. Get a proper janitors mop, jam it into the throat of the WC and hold it down. Then flush. When the pan fills full of water use the mop, lifting it up and then thrusting it back down rapidly, into the throat of the loo, again and again to punch the water through the U bend of the pan. That’ll have as good an effect as anything, and after that, if no discernible results are achieved, you may as well admit defeat for now. Remember that if you buy a modern loo to replace this, it will have the crappy 4-6L flush capacity so don’t get your hopes up there. Best route to maximise efforts first as last would be to buy and fit the new intended loo, and whilst removed use that opportunity to clean the pipes out with rods / other. Bon voyage!! Thank you, we do have a mop so may try that although not an old school janitor style- there may be one in the house somewhere. As a secrete extra tidbit we do have the original blue prints but wary of unrolling them. The plan is to get a reprographic place to do it, copy and digitise and return to the tube. These may have the drainage plans drawn. House was built in 1936. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 Going to need a specialist. https://ibb.co/27fZGRS https://ibb.co/FKM1KRv The toilet is under the window. The drain nearest to camera feels bone dry and filled with gravel with drainage rods. The circular one has the sink like an open drain directly into it, and maybe the toilet as it was a lot foamier than expected from just a hand wash - tried bleach with the mop action. This is also blocked as when using drainage rods with a rubber circle attachment I can hear it about waste height on the down pipe, there's definitely leaves down there. Around the house other rectangular ones I can see the water level, one looks filled with small polystyrene balls and one even has a tree route growing into it and is packed with soil. Buy an old house they said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Time for the good old waterjet boys to have at it. Don’t bother with a plumber, as that’ll need sucking out not just pushing further downstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: Time for the good old waterjet boys to have at it. Don’t bother with a plumber, as that’ll need sucking out not just pushing further downstream. There's a localish waterjet company, no idea if they offer suction too, but going to phone them tomorrow. Kitchen sink has slowed down already, no idea if it's same issue or we've been over zealous with washing dirty pots and bits of food down there already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 What about an application of one shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 12 hours ago, TonyT said: What about an application of one shot? Lol. One shit more like That’s not going to do anything here. That’s a sink un-blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 13 hours ago, ash_scotland88 said: There's a localish waterjet company, no idea if they offer suction too, but going to phone them tomorrow. Kitchen sink has slowed down already, no idea if it's same issue or we've been over zealous with washing dirty pots and bits of food down there already. Check if your insurance covers the drain companies attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: Lol. One shit more like That’s not going to do anything here. That’s a sink un-blocker I know, he said the sink was running slow too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, TonyT said: I know, he said the sink was running slow too? But we know why now ! ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I know, I just like putting one shot down and then everyone starts complaining about the smell of rotten eggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 I did find a can of the stuff in the house (we accepted it with contents, got about 20 different part china tea sets!). And tried that as the suction cup could be changed to "toilet mode" did hee-haw. Drainage poeple hopefully coming out tomorrow afternoon, £93.20 an hour and they'll go over any major findings and costs (ie they wont just dig a hole to rebuild a pipe and charge you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 15:27, ash_scotland88 said: I did find a can of the stuff in the house (we accepted it with contents, got about 20 different part china tea sets!). And tried that as the suction cup could be changed to "toilet mode" did hee-haw. Drainage poeple hopefully coming out tomorrow afternoon, £93.20 an hour and they'll go over any major findings and costs (ie they wont just dig a hole to rebuild a pipe and charge you) It’ll be money well spent, and the guys usually go at it at a decent rate of knots. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: It’ll be money well spent, and the guys usually go at it at a decent rate of knots. ? Hopefully, then after that it's a roofer out to repair some tiles and flashing around a chimney breast. Finger's crossed nothing else major is needed before central heating goes in. The cooker lasted 6days from currys before failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I read the title as "Symphonic", which seems more appropriate. (Gets coat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 If anyone wants an update this morning, There are tree roots blocking the drains. We have a main access half way in our front lawn and which opens to two spurs. The one leading to the toilet and one leading to back of house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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