Triassic Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I've now got to the point in my long running project where I need to start planning to demolish our existing bungalow to clear the plot for the new house. So I am thinking I need a checklist to ensure I've covered everything I need to do. I have an asbestos survey. I've located all the services ready to disconnect them. I have a price for moving the electricity supply into a new meter box in an outbuilding. I've built the cabin in the garden to live in during the build. I have the two storage containers on site for the furniture and affects. I have a demolition plan and risk assessment. So I could do with a few prompts as to what's missing from my list. Also what forms do I need to fill in and who do I need to notify? Council, HSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 You need to fill in a form letting the council know that you your going to demolish. From memory, you aren't asking permission, but you do need to let them know. That can take some time (weeks?), so worth getting onto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) I do have planning permission for a replacement house, it was acknowledged in the original application that the existing house was to be demolished. I'll have a look on the LA web sit and see if I can find the form covering demolition. Edited January 22, 2017 by Triassic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just a couple more questions, the asbestos survey flagged up the possibility that the Aga and the Lincrusta ceiling paper might contain asbestos. Having done a search I can't find a definitive answer. Any Suggestions? Clearly neither are a huge problem as the Aga will not be dismantled or broken up, so any insulation will remain contained. The Lincrusta can be removed following the appropriate work methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 You do need to apply and pay for a demolition notice, its building control who deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrP Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Regarding the asbestos, the only way you can be sure is by having the materials sampled by a lab, generally whoever did your survey can provide the service. Regarding the demolition, you need to submit a section 80 notice form, the council have 6 weeks either to either issue a section 81 or if no reply it is deemed accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 When our timber and asbestos place caught fire the environment agency got involved and simply stated the site should be cleared and the asbestos taken away in a registered skip and disposed of properly and all paperwork kept for upteen years, they were not interested in the type of the asbestos. Not sure how demolition is differs but o am sure building control will tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrP Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, joe90 said: When our timber and asbestos place caught fire the environment agency got involved and simply stated the site should be cleared and the asbestos taken away in a registered skip and disposed of properly and all paperwork kept for upteen years, they were not interested in the type of the asbestos. Not sure how demolition is differs but o am sure building control will tell you. From my experience you are right and the types indicated are low risk and will come under non-licensed work so you can remove yourself or you can ask your demo contractor to do it for you. if you go on the HSE website there are some standard method statements for quite a few situations which you can print and use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliG Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 You can contact the valuation board once the house is demolished and have it removed from the council tax list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Any AGA should be worth money on EBay, and AGA specialists will turn up and collect it. It is a very finely tuned secondhand market. I think. As far as I know AGAs use Vermiculite insulation, and your assessor may be being cautious. Perhaps ask them. We got bang on £500 for a rust bucket 195x small coal burner AGA in 2012. They are designed to be moveable by one man. Find out what model it s and sell it, perhaps to a specialist service or as Buyer Collects no reserve. Even the latter will save you a day. Ferdinand Edited January 22, 2017 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Let us know how long Council Services continue after it is up for demolition. I know of one where the collections continued for months after the demolition notice was served, used by the neighbour, but stopped within a month once it was an empty plot. Edited January 22, 2017 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 We have still got our collection even though paying no rates since October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, dogman said: We have still got our collection even though paying no rates since October. Yes, we have laid no council tax for ages but I still put a bag of rubbish out when I stay in the caravan. No one told the dustman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Are you paying for the caravan as our council rate them as band A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, joe90 said: No one told the dustman. There is the title for the next Carry On film. Edited January 22, 2017 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Because access is so poor to our plot we went for a self built cabin at the bottom of the garden, rather than a caravan. This is where we'll be living during the build. Not sure what council bracket it'll be in, no doubt we'll find out soon enough. Hopefully the bin man will still take our rubbish away. Edited January 22, 2017 by Triassic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 No, I don't own council tax because I pay council tax in Bristol ( where the wife still works and I reside when not working on site) and I informed the council the caravan was a site office for the builders ( but I may camp in it overnight occasionally) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 You can use a caravan for up to 28 days in a year on a piece of land without planning (unless it has been the subject of enforcement ..!) so I'm assuming you are only "staying" for that many days @joe90..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, PeterW said: You can use a caravan for up to 28 days in a year on a piece of land without planning (unless it has been the subject of enforcement ..!) so I'm assuming you are only "staying" for that many days @joe90..??? @PeterWI think @joe90 is relying on a different exemption, that the caravan is not his "sole or main residence". That used to be used by people with pied a terres near their offices, and I think landlords renting rooms in houses to travelling salesmen who had their main house somewhere else. It is now immensely more difficult to argue that one because there was a lot of flapping (much of it justified) about "second homes" and "empty homes" and Councils now have very considerable discretion to set the terms of their Council Tax on empty homes, and discounts available to people doing work on it etc. I now get clobbered if I take more than a month to renovate a house and get a tenant in - unless it is essentially gutted (back to brickwork, floors up). I am speaking about England and possibly Wales. Council Tax has many anomalies. One of the more interesting ones is that many Councils have taken to designating rooms with an ensuite shower in a shared house as a separate Band A Dwelling in order to extract 5 or 6 Council Taxes from one HMO, since it also gets them (but this abuse may have stopped) the Government New Homes Bonus incentive for "creating a new dwelling". This is to the extent that I am now formally advised not to create high end "all ensuite" shared houses, and not to put locks on bedroom doors, but rather to make tenants share. Ferdinand Edited January 23, 2017 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 14 hours ago, PeterW said: You can use a caravan for up to 28 days in a year on a piece of land without planning (unless it has been the subject of enforcement ..!) so I'm assuming you are only "staying" for that many days @joe90..??? But of course ?, frankly I am in such a rural location and officialdom ( apart from the planning department) does not exist around here. Between you and me ( and I know this is a public forum) but I will almost be living there permenantly this coming year but our builder has stated it's normal in that area for people to live in a caravan on site during a build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Interesting @joe90. My 'neighbour' has applied for planning permission, was refused, and the subsequent appeal was rejected. There is an Enforcement Notice on the site still under consideration by the Council's Legal Team. On the face of it, he has no legal right to be there.He continues to live on site in a caravan, discharging raw sewage to ground. The discharge is so big, you can see it on Google earth. His claim to a 'right' to live in the caravan is at best questionable. He has built a wall just high enough to hide his caravan from casual view from the road. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 At least I won my appeal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 You definitely need a Section 80 notice for the demolition. The good news is they are free! (Well at least they are from our local authority building control). They will write to your service suppliers (electric etc) to inform them. The one thing that no one has mentioned is "neighbors". Its well worth keeping them in the loop if they are going to be inconvenienced. A nicely worded letter giving them plenty of notice goes a long way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triassic Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barney12 said: You definitely need a Section 80 notice for the demolition. The good news is they are free! (Well at least they are from our local authority building control). Our Local Authority charge £125 per Section 80 application and require a copy of the demolition method statement. Guess what I'll be writing tonight! Edited January 23, 2017 by Triassic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Triassic said: Our Local Authority charge £125 per Section 80 application and require a copy of the demolition method statement. Guess what I'll be writing tonight! Bugger I must admit I was somewhat shocked to get a peice of paper out of them for free!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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